YouTube Guitar documentation shows. What’s good, what’s bad?

Discussion in 'THE Gretsch Discussion Forum' started by YaDaddy, Oct 16, 2020 at 11:31 AM.

  1. YaDaddy

    YaDaddy Gretschie

    Mar 16, 2020
    Marietta, GA
    File this one under market research if you care to. I’m curious what the faithful here find worth watching when it comes to YouTube guitar model documentation shows like The Trogly’s guitar show, Darrell Braun, Guitar MAX and any others you’ve experienced. I’m looking for the segments or concepts that you find the most attractive and/or most likely to skip past.


    Model history
    Pickup tone demo
    Visual demo/guitar porn
    Playing/performance demo
    Technical specs
    Take apart/internal inspection

    Feel free to mention any other segments you like or dislike and recommend your favorite guitartubers or mention ones you can’t stand to watch. Any input is welcome.

    Thanks in advance!
  2. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    I skip past all attempted jokes, unboxings and tone demo's/comparisons of anything.

    Youtube videos are only good for showing the features of a product and for the presenter to give his/her opinion imo. If the video is all noodling with no chat I won't waste my time watching it.

    Videos that get up my nose include .....
    - anything from Andertons.
    - All presenters who refuse to state clearly at start they're receiving payment to make the video. Payment includes being given the product by the maker/company. It is payment cos video maker can on sell it and/or just use it permanently. If they are paid and/or received a gift you can safely disregard everything that follows.
    - presenters who think they're comedians.
    - videos that rely on tone comparisons to make a point.
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2020 at 5:46 PM
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  3. 5120mantis

    5120mantis Country Gent

    Mar 6, 2011
    I watched a few of 5 watt worlds videos and they're good
  4. Randy99CL

    Randy99CL Synchromatic

    Feb 17, 2020
    I really like Darrel Braun, he does a lot of modding and comparison videos. A/B sound demos. Builds kits, tries lots of different pickups and combinations. Very informative, imaginative, lots of interesting topics others don't attempt. He refers to his (we) viewers as "guys" so often that it gets irritating.

    Troggly is entertaining and a Les Paul expert. I always watch his but often don't learn anything useful. It is worth watching just for the disassembled guitars; it is really informative seeing how they are built and assembled. His unboxings bore me; I don't care how well used guitars are packed.

    I like Albertons for new model introductions. Lee is good, Rabea and Pete are excellent players and fun to listen to. Lately Rob Chapman has gotten on my nerves, I don't miss him. If I lived in the UK I'd buy from them.

    Jack Fossett's videos are always good, entertaining and informative. He's active here, an excellent musician and songwriter and teacher. Gretsch lover but I've gotten a lot of good info and gained appreciation for Fender and Gibson also.

    There are so many that are worth watching.
    Phil McKnight
    Shane at intheblues.
    Mary Spender is a fascinating, excellent musician and singer/songwriter.
    Laura Cox rocks!
    Rhett Shull, Rick Beato, Tony Lee Glenn, there are over 30 that I've subscribed to and enjoy them all.
  5. YaDaddy

    YaDaddy Gretschie

    Mar 16, 2020
    Marietta, GA
    Good input, thank! I’m with you on the jokey stuff.
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  6. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    I'm gone as soon as they step on a stomp box. I came for the guitar demo, not the FX demo.
    I want to hear it clean, sans extras.
  7. senojnad

    senojnad Synchromatic

    Jul 13, 2008
    Lehigh Valley, PA
    ME TOO!!! I get annoyed with demos -- guitars and amps -- with heavy use of pedals.
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  8. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    It depends on your likes and preferences doesn't it?
    If you're a clean player you'll have no interest in anything else so I see your point.
    But most electric guitar players aren't just clean players.

    Most play with a wide gain range and many play exclusively with overdrive to high gain.
    Many people never play clean at all - especially the under 30 group and the metal guys for example.
    And that market niche is x10 bigger than the cleans group.

    I play through the whole gain range and have tube amps that can deliver it.
    So a demo that only showcases the cleans is of the same non interest to most players (including me) as a video using distortion pedals is to you. Except..... they're in the majority of consumers.

    So if a guitar company wants to maximise their market niche (and sales) they need to be showcasing their product through the whole gain range as most consumers need a versatile product and not just a cleans specialist :)
  9. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    It's not so much that I play clean (I do like a bit o' grit) but I want to hear the guitar first, not someone's choice of pedals and amps. No matter how good it sounds that way, it's not a fair representation of what the guitar can do on it's own. It's akin to pouring a single malt scotch into 7 Up to judge it's taste.
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  10. Wjensen

    Wjensen Gretschie

    May 25, 2019
    Raleigh, NC
    I like clean demos, with showing each pickup separately and together. Fuzz and dirt don't tell me anything about how the guitar plays. Personally, I play with just a hint of gain and reverb. But that's just me. YMMV.
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  11. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    yeah I agree so that's why I want to hear the guitar thru the whole gain range.
    Fine to start off on cleans then move on......and a bit of grit is not enough of a move for most guitar players.
    There's many guitars around that sound good clean and not so good with medium gain :)

    For example, I only got really interested in Gretsch 12 yrs ago from hearing Billy Gibbons, Malcom Young and Dave Gilmour playing them using medium gain. Setzer played clean Gretsch so I already knew they sounded great clean. Youtube was in its infancy then but if I was buying now and just relying on Youtube I probably wouldn't buy a Gretsch at all.

    I wouldn't because 99% of the Youtube videos on Gretsch only showcase the guitars with clean tones. And that's only a small part of the potential of any guitar.

    It was not until I played my first Jet with medium and high gain that I knew it was a winner I wanted - mainly due to it's versatility. And I'm pretty much in the centre of the guitar market wanting versatility. Specialist metal shred or clean guitars limit their market to a tiny minority.
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2020 at 3:57 AM
  12. loudnlousy

    loudnlousy Gretschified

    Oct 18, 2015
    That`s true. I especially find it to be total idiotic to demo an amp and using an overdrive-pedal in front of it all of the time. You can find hundreds of this rubbish-videos on Youtube. Total time-wasters.
  13. BCRatRod73

    BCRatRod73 Gretschie

    Sep 1, 2020
    I just wish he would buy some fingernail clippers.
    I find myself asking, “What’s the point of this channel?”
    I always like the intrusive “r” added to Rabea’s name that sounds like “Ruh beer”. And Chapper’s 15th fret (or was it 14th fret)massive bend followed by speed scales gets old fast. I don’t like the acoustic guy Ben because he wears fingernails.Pete’s pretty cool and a great guitar player. I think the whole Andertons vibe is just better without Chappers.
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  14. macdog

    macdog Gretschie

    Dec 25, 2014
    Norman's Rare Guitars. Another shout out for Jack Fossett, Rick Beato, In the Blues, Andertons sans Chappers.

    Pet peeve is the Gretsch demo that goes straight to rockabilly.
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  15. Tadhg

    Tadhg Gretschie

    Aug 8, 2019
    Qld - Australia
    There's soooooooo much YouTube content out there...

    It's worth looking at content from events like Thomann GearHead University and #42GearStreet to get a feel for different reviewers. Because there's a lot of crossover content, where you see people in videos with other YouTubers, and you get a feel for how much they all really know, whether they're your style, and whether they cover things that interest you.

    Andertons is an interesting one. Rabea and Pete are fantastic musicians, and Rob's now definitely fallen into the 'annoying' category. But he's done so many blindfold tests that prove how accurate his ears, hands and nose (i.e. smelling nitro!) are that he'll always be worth watching, provided it's not his own content. Because all his content is paid, but anything that's directly for him is less likely to feel as objective, and his best strength is in comparison videos. I find his ability to describe differences in tone to be better than the other guys. They're all guilty of constantly changing their test rigs, testing everything through too many pedals, etc... Which makes that ability to give a consistent evaluation and explanation all the more critical.

    If you see 75 videos on the same day (I'm looking at you, Fender Professional Series II!), it's pretty obvious they're all being provided the product and there's embargoes. It's interesting that someone did a clickbait "Everyone's getting paid squillions for reviews" video recently. Ryan from 60 Cycle Hum came out that week and published his standard rates, saying that he's got no issue with others knowing what he's making, and that he - and many other YouTubers - would actually be better off (hourly rate) doing videography for weddings.

    I'm sure he annoys a lot of people (but doesn't care about it), but I've come to appreciate the way Ryan demos. He's not a shredder, and regularly cops it for playing 'the same tired riffs and licks'. But that means, odds are you, you can go back to a video about a competing product and find him playing the same things. He uses consistent rigs. If he's at NAMM, he takes his HX Stomp, and works through the same patches for ALL the guitars he uses. Fuzz, high gain, crunch, through to a drippy surf tone (his own background). If I'm looking at a few guitars and I see the same playing, through the same patches, I'm in a good spot to understand what might be different. Also interesting when Fender delivers him the new Jazzmaster used for all the professional photography, and he goes and strips it to see exactly how the new Jazzmaster trem is different to other models.

    Phil McKnight's series on different pickups in his T style guitar is fascinating, and can't come out fast enough. But all his content is excellent.
  16. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    I hate them all with equal gusto...particularly some of those mentioned above.
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