Wow!!! My 5420 has just come alive!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Electromatic Gretsch Forum' started by Trash Kidd, Sep 15, 2021.

  1. TSims1

    TSims1 Gretschified

    Jun 18, 2013
    Atlanta
    So what are your thoughts as to the TVs vs HS?
     
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  2. G5422T

    G5422T Country Gent

    May 24, 2012
    usa
    To my ears, the HS Filters sound very good. I've had a Falcon and a Gent with them.

    They just are a "darker" sounding pup than a TV Classic. Depending on the amp played through, and musical style, a great pup.

    For what I play, I just prefer the sound of a TV Classic or TV Ray Butts.

    The RB's that I installed in my RI -58 Gent are just "it" to my ears. The HS's sounded nice, but the RB's are really special.

    Again, tone is subjective, but I like the HS's and love the TV's.
     
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  3. Trash Kidd

    Trash Kidd Country Gent

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    Dec 14, 2015
    London U.K.
    I’ll be honest Tony I’m loving the TV Classics at the moment but the HS FilterTrons in my Falcon do sound better to me. Maybe it’s the style of music I play or that big old bird but the HS Trons have all the brightness, the Gretsch chime but a lot more growl if that makes sense.
    I’m having fun playing both right now..
     
  4. loudnlousy

    loudnlousy Gretschified

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    Oct 18, 2015
    Germany
    I am happy for you, Nigel.
    Very often the little details make all the difference.
     
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  5. TSims1

    TSims1 Gretschified

    Jun 18, 2013
    Atlanta

    I’ve had both as well. I’m happy with either.
     
  6. j.s.c

    j.s.c Country Gent

    Aug 19, 2008
    france
    Hey, people do you set-up individual pole screws ?
    I thought only global pickup height and how close it is to the strings count ...
     
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  7. Marv666

    Marv666 Gretschie

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    Jul 26, 2020
    Germany
    Hey Nigel, i honestly think it´s the guitar itself.
    How do they compare played acoustic?
    I have 2 Gretsch with Tv Classics, the double anniversary and the 5120 and they sound like different pickups in these 2 guitars.
    I had the hs filtertrons in the 5420 which again behaves way different than the 5120 or the anni.... both amplified and acoustic.

    I feel like the 5120 is closer to a proline than the 5420 (but they´re great guitars too)
     
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  8. Marv666

    Marv666 Gretschie

    358
    Jul 26, 2020
    Germany
    I like both the classics and hs filters but i thought they were very close to each other
     
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  9. Trash Kidd

    Trash Kidd Country Gent

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    Dec 14, 2015
    London U.K.
    Marv… They are very close… just a bit more growl to the HS Trons IMO… Both great pick ups though..
     
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  10. Trash Kidd

    Trash Kidd Country Gent

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    Dec 14, 2015
    London U.K.
    I set all the individual pole screws as close to TV Jones settings that I could.. Seems to have worked wonders!
     
  11. G5422T

    G5422T Country Gent

    May 24, 2012
    usa
    FWIW, for folks that have pups that have already been "adjusted" by someone else, and need a good starting point to start over.

    This was recommended by TV Jones.

    Gently screw all poles down to their lowest position.

    Then set poles to these heights (number of turns up)

    Neck:
    E A D G B E
    0 .5 1 .5 0 .25

    Bridge:
    E A D G B E
    0 .75 1.5 .75 .25 0

    I traded for my Phoenix that has Classics. Previous owner had adjusted poles, but the guitar just didn't sound that good.

    I set the body height of the pups per his website recommendations. Then I set the poles per the above settings.

    I honestly was amazed at the difference after adjustments.

    Balanced string to string volume, and these Classics just came alive.

    I honestly think that a lot of pups get changed, and alot of guitars get sold because pups just aren't set correctly.
     
  12. Stefan87

    Stefan87 Country Gent

    May 20, 2019
    Brisbane, Australia
    I agree, Classics seem like a polite more refined filtertron where the HS's are a bit more raw and rock a bit harder.
     
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  13. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    hahaha finally got it right now and appreciating those Classics - better late than never :D
     
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  14. Archtops

    Archtops Country Gent

    Mar 4, 2021
    SoCal
    Excellent Nigel! You diving in and making the adjustments yourself. Way to go!
     
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  15. Andrew Griffin

    Andrew Griffin Synchromatic

    767
    Oct 22, 2015
    I like your term, "goldilocks zone." I plan on using it myself.
     
  16. Andrew Griffin

    Andrew Griffin Synchromatic

    767
    Oct 22, 2015
    You're inspiring me to give it a try. I've been curious as why my guitars with blacktops sounded so different, and I suppose that different adjustments to the pickups is probably responsible.
     
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  17. FunkyWilly

    FunkyWilly Electromatic

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    Dec 27, 2020
    Chicago
    Are the recommendations on the TV Jones site specific to TV pickups or would they be the correct heights for Gretsch Filter’Trons as well?
     
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  18. epimetheus81

    epimetheus81 Electromatic

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    Mar 2, 2009
    Berlin, Germany
    Thanks for this! I got my first Gretsch last week and had been thinking about adjusting the pole screws to the TV Jones settings rather than leaving them radius'd like the previous owner had them.

    Thanks for the motivation to adjust. Been playing all day and saying, "wow."
     
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  19. capnhiho

    capnhiho Country Gent

    Feb 16, 2013
    California
    The TVJ specs are a pretty good guideline for Gretsch Filtertrons too. Use the specs to get ‘em in the ballpark then fine tune with your ears.
     
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  20. cqscqs

    cqscqs Gretschie

    287
    Dec 8, 2013
    midwest
    I spoke to a tech at TV, he said count on a 10% improvement in tone with a TV wiring harness. But he couldn't describe it better than that. I am considering doing this (I have a Classic and Classic Plus in my 5420 neck and bridge respectively). Can you expand on what the quantum leap was to your ears? thanks!
     
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