Why no jack innovation?

Discussion in 'Technical Side of Things' started by Bertotti, Jul 17, 2020.

  1. Bertotti

    Bertotti Friend of Fred

    Jul 20, 2017
    South Dakota
    Thinking today I wonder why one of these big makers haven’t embrace magnetic breakaway connectors to finally replace these 1/4” jacks.
     
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  2. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck I Bleed Orange

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    Seems like a no brainer. Are there technical issues?
     
  3. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
    Florida
    Could it be patented?
     
  4. CalicoSkies

    CalicoSkies Gretschie

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    Nov 18, 2019
    Beaverton, OR, USA
    I'm all for innovation, but what do you see wrong with 1/4" jacks? I'm not sure there have been significant problems with them to demand changing to something else.
     
  5. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

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    Ain't broke; don't fix it.
     
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  6. sgarnett

    sgarnett Gretschie

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    Apr 14, 2020
    Kentucky
    I think the bigger question is why so few embrace jack plates.
     
  7. BorderRadio

    BorderRadio Country Gent

    Mar 6, 2014
    Phoenix, AZ
    Why? That’s more complicated than it needs to be.
     
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  8. radd

    radd Country Gent

    Dec 27, 2017
    Santa cruz
    When did that ever stop anything.

    Clearly there is no money to be made from it at this point. As soon as that changes it will happen.

    Ya, I’m a touch cynical today

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  9. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
    Florida
    I just realized you meant a magnetic breakaway jack. I thought you meant the magnetic cable that breaks away from the 1/4” jack insert. The magnetic jack would likely drop sales of the guitars. I’m not buying a guitar that requires a specific non industry standard cable to use.
     
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  10. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck I Bleed Orange

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    I think we have our answer! :D

    Actually I think wireless is the more likely successor to the standard cable. I'm surprised that hasn't caught on more. Built in bluetooth or other wireless technology.
     
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  11. Hammerhands

    Hammerhands Country Gent

    Aug 26, 2011
    Winnipeg
    I was just thinking about sockets last night, like Switchcraft 11 or 112BX, why are there no compact sockets, just slightly wider than a 1/4” jack and no longer?

    Some basses use XLR cables, which I thought was a perfect idea, until it was pointed out to me that it would destroy a guitar if it was stepped on. I think some have Neutrik sockets.

    1/4” jack is more than 100 years old. It's not like those engineers 100 years ago were stupid. I think the Switchcraft 11 is designed so it grounds the input until the ground is connected.

    You could make a magnetic converter for 1/4 cables.

    Everything will be wireless, like cars with no ignition key. There are a few guitars with blutooth.

    Some of those basses have XLR and 1/4, and such dual XLR-1/4” sockets exist, so you could make a 1/4”-magnetic combo socket.

    Then you could make a magnetic converter for 1/4 jacks.
     
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  12. JeffreyLeePierre

    JeffreyLeePierre Country Gent

    Doesn't wireless mean latency?
     
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  13. CalicoSkies

    CalicoSkies Gretschie

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    Nov 18, 2019
    Beaverton, OR, USA
    I don't think he meant a wireless connection. I think he's talking about a plug that attaches magnetically. I'm picturing something like the magnetic power plugs that Apple has used for their MacBooks (I'm not sure if Apple is still using these):
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  14. dr. love

    dr. love Gretschie

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    Because even though most of us are always chasing the new shiny thing, it's also usually just a new recreation of old technology. For some reason, most musicians have an “old=better” mentality.
     
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  15. HypotenusLuvTriangle

    HypotenusLuvTriangle Country Gent

    Oct 27, 2010
    Whittier, Ca
    yes, but latency, even on the cheaper $60 range wireless connectors, is still in milliseconds and imperceptible. I’ve ditched my guitar and bass cables for wireless transmitters. Ain’t ever going back.
    Bluetooth does actually have a latency issue and requires an environment for waves to bounce off of. That’s why walking outside and doing yard work wreaks havoc on listening to your Bluetooth headphones. Also discovered that the microwave at work messes with the signal when I turn it on.
     
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  16. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    Could be a magnetic connection is not really suitable for critical audio signal.
    A Power connection like on Apples is fine.

    A good innovation might be a locking Neutrik but guitarplayers are so conservative, no one wants to see one on a guitar.
     
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  17. audept

    audept Senior Gretsch-Talker

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    If electric guitars had been invented in Europe, it could have been a DIN plug! :eek: Just sayin, be careful what you wish for! :D
     
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  18. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    A mini DIN wouldn’t be so bad. Lots of interesting wiring options, but that’s exactly the problem. Between 20 manufacturers we’d probably have 20 different wiring codes. :rolleyes:
     
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  19. Floo

    Floo Country Gent

    Dec 16, 2012
    Elmshorn, Germany
    Some Framus guitars had 3-pin DIN jacks, indeed! Some Dynacord devices also - Iused to own a Dynacord Echocord mini with DIN-connectors, I bet the cables I soldered for this are still somewhere in my box with odd plugs and cables.
     
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  20. audept

    audept Senior Gretsch-Talker

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    Dec 1, 2010
    Sydney, Australia
    In the '60s I had a Klemt Echolette tape echo machine. The inputs and outputs were DIN connectors.
     
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