Why are Guitar Players So Conservative?

fretbuzzard

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Apr 18, 2009
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Not here.
Yet rock n roll celebrates itself as rebellious. 50s & 60s rockers rejected stale post-WW2 orthodoxy in a lot of ways, but left us with a legacy of a limited number of ways to express yourself in choice of a guitar. Nobody views the other instruments you cite as appealing to cutting edge, heterodox musicians. Their appeal is that they are conservative. (In fact it'd be rebellious if somebody revived the symphony as means to explore new boundaries in popular music. Imagine if Lady GaGa announced that from now on, she'd only record and perform with the New York Philharmonic Orchestra.)
The irony being that some of the most innovative guitar building of the past 50 years has been incorporated into classical guitars. There is something wonderful about hearing Tarrega played on an instrument with carbon fiber reinforced lattice bracing or a sandwich top. Features that, if Martin were to fully embrace them, would make a sizable portion of forum guitarists blanch.
 

Synchro

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Why try to improve on perfection? I don’t think there is anything more modern than a black guard Telecaster.

But seriously, you could propose a robotic guitar that automatically twists you rtuners to keep the guitar in tune. That would certainly be successful and find its way onto every guitar.
Better is the enemy of best. As any invention is developed, it becomes more difficult to make meaningful improvements. Even simple things, such as a shovel, can be improved upon. but the improvements are incremental once the basic art is established.

I would opine that the original Telecaster is a significant benchmark in the development of the electric guitar. The 2021 Deluxe Thinline Tele in the next room has some incremental improvements over a black guard Tele, but conceptually, it’s pretty close to the Telecasters made over 70 years ago. There are a lot of design since then, but the Tele still stands as a benchmark, and is as viable today, as it was when it was first created.
 

MadKaw

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Apr 17, 2020
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Better is the enemy of best. As any invention is developed, it becomes more difficult to make meaningful improvements. Even simple things, such as a shovel, can be improved upon. but the improvements are incremental once the basic art is established.

I would opine that the original Telecaster is a significant benchmark in the development of the electric guitar. The 2021 Deluxe Thinline Tele in the next room has some incremental improvements over a black guard Tele, but conceptually, it’s pretty close to the Telecasters made over 70 years ago. There are a lot of design since then, but the Tele still stands as a benchmark, and is as viable today, as it was when it was first created.
That is akin to a circular definition... "the Tele is a great guitar therefore a great guitar is a Tele."
It is more a lack of creativity and originality in the guitar community.
Les Paul was always tinkering with strange guitars. He loved being in the shop. And he didn't quit when Gibson started making his eponymous guitar.
Look at some the the marvelously weird instruments Steve Vai has built and the marvelously weird sounds he makes.
steve-vai-hydra-guitar-1536x848.jpg

It's not hard to see that there are very few people like Les Paul or Steve Vai,
 

Fairlane Blue

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That is akin to a circular definition... "the Tele is a great guitar therefore a great guitar is a Tele."
It is more a lack of creativity and originality in the guitar community.
Les Paul was always tinkering with strange guitars. He loved being in the shop. And he didn't quit when Gibson started making his eponymous guitar.
Look at some the the marvelously weird instruments Steve Vai has built and the marvelously weird sounds he makes.
steve-vai-hydra-guitar-1536x848.jpg

It's not hard to see that there are very few people like Les Paul or Steve Vai,
Let me first start by saying that Leo Fender was a true genius. He never put his name on a guitar that wasn't his design or inspiration. Secondly Les Paul never invented the guitar that eventually would bear his name nor did he design it. He didn't have any input on it! They showed him to the door calling him "The guy with the broomstick" when he showed them the atrocity that he cobbled together from an acoustic guitar with home made pickups in it. This was a few years before they introduced what is now known as the Les Paul. It was originally called the "Gibson Standard Model" at that time. Once Les Paul began making it big and everyone started to take notice Gibson they then ate their words and signed him as fast as they could to sell their "new baby" to the public.
 
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Synchro

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That is akin to a circular definition... "the Tele is a great guitar therefore a great guitar is a Tele."
It is more a lack of creativity and originality in the guitar community.
Les Paul was always tinkering with strange guitars. He loved being in the shop. And he didn't quit when Gibson started making his eponymous guitar.
Look at some the the marvelously weird instruments Steve Vai has built and the marvelously weird sounds he makes.
steve-vai-hydra-guitar-1536x848.jpg

It's not hard to see that there are very few people like Les Paul or Steve Vai,
I’m not suggesting that a Tele is the only good example of a solidbody electric. It is, however, a great guitar which has been a viable choice for over 70 years. The Strat was supposed to replace the Telecaster, but the market demand for Teles remained, and Teles have remained in production. A Tele and a Strat are two separate and distinct designs; both great instruments, but each with a distinct personality.

Indeed, Les Paul did keep developing ideas, but once the Les Paul model was in production, his experiments mostly involved pickups and circuits. It’s Interesting stuff, but hasn’t really changed the guitar world. The Les Paul Recording model was an electrical tour de force, but they never sold all that well and, in spite of Les Paul’s efforts, we don’t see many guitars with low-impedance pickups, to this day.

Personally, I don’t see multi neck guitars as all that creative. For one thing, they are heavy and not comfortable to play for any length of time. Don Felder uses an EDS-1275 for Hotel California, because he can switch between the 12 string and 6 string necks rapidly, but you don’t see him using it for his entire set.

Frankly, “marvelously weird” doesn’t do much for me. I chose the guitar as an instrument, because I like the sound of a guitar. I can get a great deal of timbral variety from my guitars by using various RH techniques. Add a pickup switch and there’s even more on tap.

I don’t have any desire to shoot for weird sounds, and I don’t see that as particularly creative. As much as I admire Jeff Beck’s abilities, I find that some of the sounds he created detracted from his abilities. Some of my favorite Jeff Beck recordings were his Rockabilly and Les Paul tributes, which went for a more conventional sound.
 

stevo

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Let me first start by saying that Leo Fender was a true genius. He never put his name on a guitar that wasn't his design or inspiration. Secondly Les Paul never invented the guitar that eventually would bear his name nor did he design it. He didn't have any input on it! They showed him to the door calling him "The guy with the broomstick" when he showed them the atrocity that he cobbled together from an acoustic guitar with home made pickups in it. This was a few years before they introduced what is now known as the Les Paul. It was originally called the "Gibson Standard Model" at that time. Once Les Paul began making it big and everyone started to take notice Gibson they then ate their words and signed him as fast as they could to sell their "new baby" to the public.
What is the source for that? I’ve seen plenty of articles indicating that he had a good bit of input.
 

Synchro

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What is the source for that? I’ve seen plenty of articles indicating that he had a good bit of input.
It’s always been my understanding that Gibson brought their solid body design to Les Paul, pretty much as a completed design. Les agreed to have it called the Les Paul model, and signed on as an endorser, but had little, if any input to the design.
 

MadKaw

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Apr 17, 2020
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Les Paul came designed a solid body electric guitar in 1941, way before Leo Fender. However, it's not the origin story that is supposed to be the subject of this thread, but why innovation is in so lacking. Some of you seem to take the stance that Leo Fender already made the perfect guitar so there is no need for innovation. Well, that's certainly an opinion, and quite a popular one. But popularity is not akin to correctness.
Because, like everybody else, I am 110% positive that my opinion is actually the correct one, and everybody elses opinions can be measured by how closely they agree with mine.
 

dmunson

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Dec 19, 2015
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Les Paul came designed a solid body electric guitar in 1941, way before Leo Fender. However, it's not the origin story that is supposed to be the subject of this thread, but why innovation is in so lacking. Some of you seem to take the stance that Leo Fender already made the perfect guitar so there is no need for innovation. Well, that's certainly an opinion, and quite a popular one. But popularity is not akin to correctness.
Because, like everybody else, I am 110% positive that my opinion is actually the correct one, and everybody elses opinions can be measured by how closely they agree with mine.
I tend to think that, rather than the perfect solid body guitar, what Fender actually created a whole new market. Just look at how quickly Gibson and Gretsch jumped into solid body production.
With that thought in mind, I've heard players claim the Leo Fender had more to do with Gibson's solid body than Les Paul did. I can't say I agree, but that's something to contemplate.
 

Synchro

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Les Paul came designed a solid body electric guitar in 1941, way before Leo Fender. However, it's not the origin story that is supposed to be the subject of this thread, but why innovation is in so lacking. Some of you seem to take the stance that Leo Fender already made the perfect guitar so there is no need for innovation. Well, that's certainly an opinion, and quite a popular one. But popularity is not akin to correctness.
Because, like everybody else, I am 110% positive that my opinion is actually the correct one, and everybody elses opinions can be measured by how closely they agree with mine.
I would say that the market has shown a great appreciation for the Tele. It’s certainly not the only good design, but fact that it has remained viable in the market for over 70 years speaks loudly. Actually, Teles have seen improvement, over the years, but basic design features, such as the bridge design and pickup arrangement.

I have Fender Noiseless pickups on a Thinline Tele, neither of these things existed on the first Telecasters, and I appreciate both of these improvements. I‘ve owned Fender Noiseless pickups in the past, and like them. The Thinline body makes for a lightweight guitar, and actually seems to add a little bit of resonance, when playing unplugged. But it‘s still a Tele, and still quite similar to what Leo produced, over 70 years ago.
 
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