Strymon Deco

NeilSt

Country Gent
Oct 26, 2010
2,106
Lynnwood, WA
Yeah...I watched the demos today, and once more I've got the gas for a Strymon! Those guys are pure evil. Didja hear that? Pure evil, I say!
 

TV the Wired Turtle

Gretschified
Jul 25, 2009
14,572
Sandy Eggo
WAKE UP WAKE UP!! The Red Coats are coming, the red coats are coming

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Strymon is taking pre-orders for the Deco right NOOOWWW! get over there.
 

Dan C

Country Gent
Mar 20, 2011
1,231
London
TGP members have been posting order numbers of #47000 upwards! Crazy numbers.

Eagerly awaiting the reviews from you rock n rollers.
 

Henry

I Bleed Orange
Apr 9, 2014
18,708
Petaluma
A question: is the saturation basically a boost or preamp? Also, I'm not pedal guy right now so pardon my ignorance , but I understand preamps at usually um pre amp, and delays are often in the effects loop. Any idea how having the saturation and delay on the same position? Particularly with an effects loop on an amp which has reverb?
 

montereyjack66

Country Gent
Feb 29, 2012
3,247
LA-ish
A question: is the saturation basically a boost or preamp? Also, I'm not pedal guy right now so pardon my ignorance , but I understand preamps at usually um pre amp, and delays are often in the effects loop. Any idea how having the saturation and delay on the same position? Particularly with an effects loop on an amp which has reverb?

You may have to wait for all of the drool to evaporate before you get an intelligble answer.

mj
 

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TV the Wired Turtle

Gretschified
Jul 25, 2009
14,572
Sandy Eggo
A question: is the saturation basically a boost or preamp? Also, I'm not pedal guy right now so pardon my ignorance , but I understand preamps at usually um pre amp, and delays are often in the effects loop. Any idea how having the saturation and delay on the same position? Particularly with an effects loop on an amp which has reverb?


"Saturation began as as effect when (using analog) the gain stage is overloaded and the physical properties of the recording gear (tape, transistors, tubes, etc) could not handle the amount of magnetic information (sound levels too high). What happens is the peaks are clipped off (clipping), and the result is more or less a flat top at the peaks (signal is now "distorted"). You can think of clipping looking similar to a square wave (starting with a sin wave, if volume gets too high the peaks get cut off due to limit of volume on tape, thus creating a plateau), therefore if you understand what square waves are then you will realize this process adds harmonics (sq waves = odd harmonics of fundamental frequency...).

To know how saturation works for plugins, you need to know the above (it all started with analog). When dealing with magnetic analog devices there is a physical property that limits magnetic capacity. When the limit is maxed (or fully "saturated"... as in full or filled to max) the signal is clipped (this clipped produced sound result is dependent on the gear that processes it). When these analog processes are clipped slightly they add mellow distortion, and has been termed "saturation." This saturation is what a lot of people love about analog gear (it gives it that "analog sound"). Plugins recreate this mellow distortion through algorithms because clipping in digital realm sounds much harsher.

Summary: saturation is the slight harmonic distortion found from magnetic analog devices being overloaded."
 

Gretschtim1

Country Gent
Dec 4, 2012
3,629
Dundalk, Md
"Saturation began as as effect when (using analog) the gain stage is overloaded and the physical properties of the recording gear (tape, transistors, tubes, etc) could not handle the amount of magnetic information (sound levels too high). What happens is the peaks are clipped off (clipping), and the result is more or less a flat top at the peaks (signal is now "distorted"). You can think of clipping looking similar to a square wave (starting with a sin wave, if volume gets too high the peaks get cut off due to limit of volume on tape, thus creating a plateau), therefore if you understand what square waves are then you will realize this process adds harmonics (sq waves = odd harmonics of fundamental frequency...).

To know how saturation works for plugins, you need to know the above (it all started with analog). When dealing with magnetic analog devices there is a physical property that limits magnetic capacity. When the limit is maxed (or fully "saturated"... as in full or filled to max) the signal is clipped (this clipped produced sound result is dependent on the gear that processes it). When these analog processes are clipped slightly they add mellow distortion, and has been termed "saturation." This saturation is what a lot of people love about analog gear (it gives it that "analog sound"). Plugins recreate this mellow distortion through algorithms because clipping in digital realm sounds much harsher.

Summary: saturation is the slight harmonic distortion found from magnetic analog devices being overloaded."

Very good explanation.
I might add that analog tape machines all had different sounds depending on the brand.
Tape speed, tape brand, how the Bias was set on the machine - tube or transistor electronics, type of output transformers used - all these things affects the sound.
It was so complicated and that's why it's very hard to explain or duplicate the sound of tape machine distortion.
I'd be interested to hear how Strymon went about arriving at this sound - what type of machine they used, tape brand, speed of transport, etc.
That said I think the pedal sounds pretty good (like all their other pedals).
Me being an analog guy from way back I'm pretty impressed with this pedal.
I still use tape machines today - 2, 4, 8 and 16 track - 1/4" through 2".
I love all of them!
 
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Henry

I Bleed Orange
Apr 9, 2014
18,708
Petaluma
Thanks tavo and Tim.

I reckon I'll have to wait til the stompees are out to see how they might mix post-reverb in an effects loop.
 

DocJay

Electromatic
Mar 18, 2013
23
I'm really looking forward to trying this pedal. I hope they put the in-depth video up soon.

Do you rockabilly guys think you will keep your El Caps as well?
 

audept

Senior Gretsch-Talker
Dec 1, 2010
29,471
Sydney, Australia
Mine's pre-ordered in Australia. I have about 4 weeks to come up with the 2 billion dollars they are going to charge for it down here.
 

TV the Wired Turtle

Gretschified
Jul 25, 2009
14,572
Sandy Eggo
Your 2 billion may as well be 4 billion for the 1 billion I have to come up with to cover the pre-order charge. :) No one will buy my lousy $70 Anna echo in the classifieds!! That would put me at $999,930 shy of what I owe. :)
 


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