Still wondering why these never caught on...

Discussion in 'Fred's Barcalounge' started by Scott, Mar 3, 2021.

  1. Scott

    Scott Country Gent

    Jun 27, 2008
    Winston-Salem, NC

    Found a set of these in a junk drawer. I remember taking them off of an early 80s Les Paul Custom about 30 years ago and replaced them with a set of Grover rotomatics.

    Anybody else think these were kind of clever?
  2. Ricochet

    Ricochet Senior Gretsch-Talker

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    They look clever, never tried’m though.
  3. Tele295

    Tele295 Country Gent

    BB King liked them, and they were factory spec on his signature Gibson Lucille
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  4. Teledriver

    Teledriver Synchromatic

    Feb 12, 2011
    Iowa City, IA
    The fact that you took them off an early 80s Les Paul Custom and replaced them with Grovers.....
    'Nuff said.
  5. wabash slim

    wabash slim I Bleed Orange

    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    Seems a lot like a solution in search of a problem.
    Fine if you change strings constantly.
    Overkill for normal use.
    String winder is probably cheaper.
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  6. swivel

    swivel Country Gent

    May 13, 2018
    Dont they hit the adjacent tuner?
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  7. Mr. Lumbergh

    Mr. Lumbergh Country Gent

    May 14, 2013
    Initech, Inc.
    I'm curious why you took them off, that might answer the question.
  8. loudnlousy

    loudnlousy Gretschified

    Oct 18, 2015
    The locking-feature is missing. Otherwise a very clever idea.
  9. Scott

    Scott Country Gent

    Jun 27, 2008
    Winston-Salem, NC
    I took them off because I felt the guitar was going out of tune a little too easily. This was back in the days before I was on the 'net, and a lot of guys back in those days would say "my guitar goes out of tune too easy, time for some new tuners"...instead of taking the guitar to a tech for a setup, as I found out later to be more prudent. The guitar probably didn't need the tuners, just a good going over. In any case, I sold them on craigslist and made a tidy $190 profit.

    They are not quite big enough to hit the next tuner when restringing. And I never subscribed to the notion of having to have locking tuners. Never have. Never will.

    Still can't understand why they didn't catch on. If they're already on the guitar a stringwinder isn't necessary, saving a few bucks there.
  10. thunder58

    thunder58 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 23, 2010
    tappan ny
    Admin Post
    Really not a bad idea especially if they come with the guitar
  11. mrfixitmi

    mrfixitmi Country Gent

    Mar 20, 2010
    Scott, they were a very polarizing idea, those that liked them are in search of them for a project, or as backups. The price you received is not so far off the radar.

    I am one of the ones that thought that it was a great idea in the day.
    However, when one of mine broke, I changed all the them, because a replacement could not be found. I sold the remaining five for repairs through the years, no one ever complained about the $25 cost for a used tuner, in my opinion some really love them.
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  12. Scott

    Scott Country Gent

    Jun 27, 2008
    Winston-Salem, NC
    Ah, now I can see it being an issue if one were to break.
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  13. guitarzan50

    guitarzan50 Electromatic

    Feb 21, 2017
    These tuners came on Gibson Chet Atkins Country Gentleman guitars also.
  14. Henry

    Henry I Bleed Orange

    Apr 9, 2014
    The way I see it, for most regular guitar players a string winder adds a very marginal convenience. Only a significant convenience if your job is to replace strings on guitars on a daily basis. And in that case, it makes more sense to have one $4 string winder than to replace all the tuners in all your guitars.

    Having said that, having to open and close the little lever seems like a lot more work than just using your fingers, or using a regular string winder. It seems kinda fiddly. And if they are more expensive than a $3 string winder . . .

    Have you actually used them and found them to be helpful?

    Having seen this, the robotuners make a lot more sense.

    As they say, "clever . . . but not smart".

    1 step forward, 1.1 steps back IMO.
  15. Scott

    Scott Country Gent

    Jun 27, 2008
    Winston-Salem, NC
    Yes, I have used them and they worked fine. And I didn't say anything about replacing the tuners on any of my guitars with these tuners. Please read the original post...I was just wondering why something like that never caught on. I suppose you all have answered the question for me. Thank you.

    EDIT: PS - I will say that I would use these any day over any locking tuner. But that's just me.
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