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NPD: Surfy Industries Blossom Point Pedal

Henry

I Bleed Orange
Apr 9, 2014
19,705
Petaluma
Let us not forget that we are talking about SURF GUITAR here, ok? SURF. 🤦‍♂️

It’s not a tone, it’s an attitude, a feeling. It came from California and it won’t die because it makes us feel good. Hell, even women dig it.

We’re loadin’ up the woody. You in or out, man? 🏄‍♂️🎸🏄‍♀️
Never been a joiner, and i come from the same place. Seeya on the other side.;)
 

ruger9

Country Gent
Nov 1, 2008
3,722
NJ
So you set the tone stack to taste, or necessity. We have tone controls because we need to take some of the harshness of the input signal. That may sound harsh, in and of itself, but let’s do a quick straw poll; how many people have the tone controls on their amp all the way up? Let’s do the math … the count is … carry the seven … bring in the Cray … ok, and the results are … virtually no one, unless they are cutting highs somewhere else in the signal path.

That sounds like Setzer... between the 100ft cable and what the Space Echo does to the guitar tone, he runs his treble and presence on those Bassmans pretty high... it's like he ON PURPOSE has the impedance mismatch of the Roland as part of his tone... Treble @ 8, Presence @ 8.5

Seems convoluted to me, but he stumbled onto it one day & fell in love. Again- different strokes!
 

NJDevil

Country Gent
Jul 9, 2014
1,688
Commack, NY
For pedalboard aficionados, here is an update to my pic above. The auto-swell pedal is very rarely used and really belongs on a dedicated mini-board with a compressor, a digital delay, and a digital reverb — all patched straight into the amp or my Apollo interface. In its place, after the compressor of course, a basic tremolo pedal that is used far more often. This board is for studio use only, as I have retired from live shows. Too much work for too little return — live original music is no country for old men. 🎸🦖

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Ohhhhhhh yeahhhh.... Love that pedal board and feelin' exceptionally groovy having seen it. I have the Blossom Point and the Keeley and the Immerse by Neunaber...... I love that reverb pedal. When dove deep to buying one, it was a "finalist" that eventually went to the Source Audio Ventris. But, I cannot deny the the quality and goodness from Neunaber and especially the Immerse.

I love the Belle Epoch but had always had my heart set on Catalinbread's Echorec.......the Belle Epoch delivers the goods though and is a 10/10 in my opinion.

I'm not familiar with that Tremolo pedal and is an effect I never thought I'd use but there is a quality one built in my Roland Blues Cube amp. Now when the mood strikes, I am quite happy being able to hit various material that really requires it.....like Ry Cooder's theme from the movie "Southern Comfort" or the whole "Wicked Grin" album by John Hammond.

Seeing the VENT by Neo Instruments reminds me of all the material I play that really could use that Leslie emulation.

Yeah @David MacNeill , you got a really focused and dynamic set of goodness right there!
 

David MacNeill

Gretschie
Gold Supporting Member
Nov 13, 2022
100
Boise ID
Yeah @David MacNeill , you got a really focused and dynamic set of goodness right there!
Thanks! I used to have two pedalboards in the studio, a big one for electric and a smaller one for acoustic. Took up a lot of room and I never used 80% of them, so I decided to pick just six I absolutely needed for recording, plus three pedals for ambient tracks. It’s amazing what a little self-discipline can do to focus the creative mind.
 

Synchro

The artist formerly known as: Synchro
Staff member
Jun 2, 2008
27,279
Tucson
I am not sure what part of my post you're responding to but I didn't read anything you wrote that contradicted what I wrote.
I learned never to contradict a lawyer. :)

Let me quote a more recent response from you, and see if I can better state my point.

”I never meant to imply it didn't work, I am just saying a presence control changes the tone. Maybe we just mean different things by ’tone’".

Simply stated, I feel the the Presence control, for the reasons I elaborated at length doesn’t act, in any way, like a tone control. It does add some sparkle, around the edges, so to speak, but it’s not like turning up the treble control of the tone stack.

We’re dealing with the limitations of language, and the fact that the word tone, strictly speaking, refers to pitch, but long ago, the word was used to label a control that allowed some frequencies of the audio spectrum to be shunted to ground, and eliminating harsh or shrill sounds. Timbre is a more accurate word, but still very broad, because timbre is anything except pitch and meter. Audio spectrum is probably a better description of what we refer to as tone, but there are so many variables involved that even that terminology gets hopelessly mired.

The bottom line is that describing what we commonly call tone is, essentially, impossible. It’s easy to hear, but not easy to describe.

Let us not forget that we are talking about SURF GUITAR here, ok? SURF. 🤦‍♂️

It’s not a tone, it’s an attitude, a feeling. It came from California and it won’t die because it makes us feel good.

We’re loadin’ up the woody. You in or out, man? 🏄‍♂️🎸🏄‍♀️
I saw a JHS Show with Ryan from 60 Cycle Hum, where they tested a number of Spring Reverb pedals and talked about Drip. When they got to the Catalinbread Topanga, Ryan opined that the pedal didn’t have strong drip, but that it was a good Surf sound.

I took note of the point, because it strikes to the heart of this discussion. If I want to capture what was happening 60 years ago with the phenomenon of Surf Music.

Instrumental Rock n’ Roll has been around since the early days of Rock n’ Roll, and there is a linear progression from Honky Tonk, through Duane Eddy, Link Wray, and on into the Founding Fathers of Surf. It wasn’t as simple as plug into a big amp with white Tolex and crank up the reverb. Actually, reverb wasn’t even in the picture, for some of the early Surf bands. Apparently, the BelAirs (Mr. Moto) actually split up, along the lines of the pro-reverb vs. anti-reverb members of the band.

But if we look at the album covers and publicity photos of 1962, we indeed see a lot of white Tolex-covered Fender amps, and almost invariably, just as many 6G15 Fender reverb tanks. Surf was the product of a number of factors. The development of Instrumental Rock, the development of amplifiers, the emergence of reverb as a portable effect, developments of electric guitars and, IMHO, the Twist Craze.

The amps of the ‘50s tended to have a degree of rectifier sag, and the sound was delightfully spongy. As the Brown-Panel amps came out, the larger models had solid-state rectifiers that didn’t sag. (It’s not the fact that it‘s solid state that eliminates the sag, but instead, the fact that these diodes are higher capacity than the tubes they replace.) This nice, crisp response was perfect for energetic guitar parts and the Twist Beat music of the time sounded nice and twangy through these amps. Add some reverb, and you are at Surf.

That’s a roundabout way of saying that big Brown-Panel amps really capture the sound of the early Surf era, not only for Surf Music, but also for other guitar-based Pop from the early ‘60s.
But seriously folks, I’ve always considered surf music to be west coast bluegrass. It ain’t easy to do it right.

Respect surf guitar! Respect it!

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West Coast Bluegrass: I like that.
That sounds like Setzer... between the 100ft cable and what the Space Echo does to the guitar tone, he runs his treble and presence on those Bassmans pretty high... it's like he ON PURPOSE has the impedance mismatch of the Roland as part of his tone... Treble @ 8, Presence @ 8.5

Seems convoluted to me, but he stumbled onto it one day & fell in love. Again- different strokes!
I’ve seen some effects recently that purport to emulate various lengths of patch cable. Sounds like a switchable cap, to me; just like the mud switch. With a 1 Meg input impedance, even a 50’ cable should be ok, although it wouldn’t be my first choice. 100’? Wow, that’s a lot! The only input impedance I could find for the REs was 66 kilohm, which is exceptionally low. Well, whatever.
 

David MacNeill

Gretschie
Gold Supporting Member
Nov 13, 2022
100
Boise ID
Got in some some Strat time tonight and did not have to change my settings on the Blossom Point. My Strat has Fralin 60’s style pickups so it matches my G5427T’s stock FilterTrons closely in output. So it is plug and play so far here at Wavebender Northwest. Tomorrow, my sweet G5422-12 gets some tracking time through the new pedal.
 

Synchro

The artist formerly known as: Synchro
Staff member
Jun 2, 2008
27,279
Tucson
Got in some some Strat time tonight and did not have to change my settings on the Blossom Point. My Strat has Fralin 60’s style pickups so it matches my G5427T’s stock FilterTrons closely in output. So it is plug and play so far here at Wavebender Northwest. Tomorrow, my sweet G5422-12 gets some tracking time through the new pedal.
I had wondered how a Strat would do with one of these. I would think that it should be a great match. The only variable,, is output level of tne guitar, and you’ve already addressed that.
 

Synchro

The artist formerly known as: Synchro
Staff member
Jun 2, 2008
27,279
Tucson
Flash Report from Stately Synchro Labs:

it is a rainy, drizzly, good-for-nothing day, here in the Sonoran Desert, and I am just recovering from the mother of all allergy attacks. Of course, this is merely nature’s way of telling us that we should stay inside, and goof around with effects.

So, not wanting to defy the natural order of things, I did just that, by defying what many people consider the natural order of external reverb tanks. Simply stated, I plugged my Fender Reissue tank, in front of the Blossom point, to see what would happen. I have to say that the Blossom Point did not fail to impress. Actually, I think that this was to most dramatic demonstration of just what the Blossom Point does, that I’ve seen, so far.

The signal chain was very simple: Telecaster - Tank - Blossom Point - Amp. Because everything was on, the impedances were just fine, with 1 megohm input at the tank, the Blossom Point and the amp, and low output impedances on every device. There was about 40’ of George L’s cable involved. This could have been shortened, had I cared to move the tank right next to my chair, but I didn’t care to do that; so sue me. :) Actually, the point here was, in part, to demonstrate that long cable runs are not problematic as long as the impedances are in order.

So I’ll get right to the point, and state that this setup drips. I put the Astronaut’s Baja on, and the drip I was getting compared favorably to that recording, which is thought to be the Holy Grail of reverb drip. In fact, I could actually get too much drip, in some situations, or perhaps more accurately, the drip could get a bit overwhelming, but that actually serves to demonstrate the value of the Presence control.

With the Presence dimed, the drip was a bit much, literally in excess of what I heard on the Astronaut’s recording. But if I rolled the Presence back a little, the drip was perfect. This is the real thing; genuine springs, dripping and a Presence control, which either accentuates, or attenuates the level of the drip. Bloody clever, these Presence controls.

Today’s experiments taught me a thing or two about drip. Drip is a natural effect that I have observed in both Spring and Plate reverb. I won’t go on record regarding any other reverb types. I think that drip happens when there is metal involved. Drip could occur with reverb from echo based sources, such as Hall or Room reverb, but that would require that there was something present in those spaces, which would resonate with the high frequencies which comprise drip. Spring and Plate reverbs are not actually reverb, but are actually emulations of natural reverb. They are delightful emulations, and they bring some good things to the table; good things like drip.

One other thing about drip, is that it is highly dependent upon the characteristics of the signal hitting the input of the reverb unit. It is well known that drip usually happens when the strings are lightly damped. It also helps, immensely, if the string is struck abruptly, with a bit of a snap. When the drip hits the Blossom Point, it seems to … well … blossom. When the signal comes out of a literal tube-driven reverb tank and passes into a Blossom Point, there is an obvious sonic difference. The drips, apparently, are compressed slightly, and then trail off more slowly. It’s a very brilliant sound.

Perhaps this even helps to explain why the Brown-Panel Showman is so strongly associated with the sound of Surf music. The interaction between a 6G15 reverb tank and the Presence control in a 6G14 Showman amp is a perfect setup for generating, and controlling spring-reverb drip. I’ve never played an amp with a Presence control at gig volumes, but after this test, I can see exactly how the 6G15 into a 6G14 (or into a 6G7 Bandmaster) would be perfect for Surf sounds in a live setting.

The big question that came to mind, regarding this pedal, was just how it would go about creating a Brown-Panel sound. From what I can tell, the Blossom Point does not change the EQ. It seems not to color the signal, in tne sense of a tone control, or some simulation of a Brown-Panel tone stack, but it adds the Presence control, which basically adds a degree of sonic presence, which I assume that accomplish with a negative feedback loop in an Op Amp with the tone cut which acts to reduce damping of highs, because the logic of a negative feedback loop is inverted. Very clever, and exactly the logic of the Presence control on an amp. So, at least to my satisfaction, Surfy Industries seems to live up to the claim they make regarding this product.
 

David MacNeill

Gretschie
Gold Supporting Member
Nov 13, 2022
100
Boise ID
Flash Report from Stately Synchro Labs:

it is a rainy, drizzly, good-for-nothing day, here in the Sonoran Desert, and I am just recovering from the mother of all allergy attacks. Of course, this is merely nature’s way of telling us that we should stay inside, and goof around with effects.

So, not wanting to defy the natural order of things, I did just that, by defying what many people consider the natural order of external reverb tanks. Simply stated, I plugged my Fender Reissue tank, in front of the Blossom point, to see what would happen. I have to say that the Blossom Point did not fail to impress. Actually, I think that this was to most dramatic demonstration of just what the Blossom Point does, that I’ve seen, so far.

The signal chain was very simple: Telecaster - Tank - Blossom Point - Amp. Because everything was on, the impedances were just fine, with 1 megohm input at the tank, the Blossom Point and the amp, and low output impedances on every device. There was about 40’ of George L’s cable involved. This could have been shortened, had I cared to move the tank right next to my chair, but I didn’t care to do that; so sue me. :) Actually, the point here was, in part, to demonstrate that long cable runs are not problematic as long as the impedances are in order.

So I’ll get right to the point, and state that this setup drips. I put the Astronaut’s Baja on, and the drip I was getting compared favorably to that recording, which is thought to be the Holy Grail of reverb drip. In fact, I could actually get too much drip, in some situations, or perhaps more accurately, the drip could get a bit overwhelming, but that actually serves to demonstrate the value of the Presence control.

With the Presence dimed, the drip was a bit much, literally in excess of what I heard on the Astronaut’s recording. But if I rolled the Presence back a little, the drip was perfect. This is the real thing; genuine springs, dripping and a Presence control, which either accentuates, or attenuates the level of the drip. Bloody clever, these Presence controls.

Today’s experiments taught me a thing or two about drip. Drip is a natural effect that I have observed in both Spring and Plate reverb. I won’t go on record regarding any other reverb types. I think that drip happens when there is metal involved. Drip could occur with reverb from echo based sources, such as Hall or Room reverb, but that would require that there was something present in those spaces, which would resonate with the high frequencies which comprise drip. Spring and Plate reverbs are not actually reverb, but are actually emulations of natural reverb. They are delightful emulations, and they bring some good things to the table; good things like drip.

One other thing about drip, is that it is highly dependent upon the characteristics of the signal hitting the input of the reverb unit. It is well known that drip usually happens when the strings are lightly damped. It also helps, immensely, if the string is struck abruptly, with a bit of a snap. When the drip hits the Blossom Point, it seems to … well … blossom. When the signal comes out of a literal tube-driven reverb tank and passes into a Blossom Point, there is an obvious sonic difference. The drips, apparently, are compressed slightly, and then trail off more slowly. It’s a very brilliant sound.

Perhaps this even helps to explain why the Brown-Panel Showman is so strongly associated with the sound of Surf music. The interaction between a 6G15 reverb tank and the Presence control in a 6G14 Showman amp is a perfect setup for generating, and controlling spring-reverb drip. I’ve never played an amp with a Presence control at gig volumes, but after this test, I can see exactly how the 6G15 into a 6G14 (or into a 6G7 Bandmaster) would be perfect for Surf sounds in a live setting.

The big question that came to mind, regarding this pedal, was just how it would go about creating a Brown-Panel sound. From what I can tell, the Blossom Point does not change the EQ. It seems not to color the signal, in tne sense of a tone control, or some simulation of a Brown-Panel tone stack, but it adds the Presence control, which basically adds a degree of sonic presence, which I assume that accomplish with a negative feedback loop in an Op Amp with the tone cut which acts to reduce damping of highs, because the logic of a negative feedback loop is inverted. Very clever, and exactly the logic of the Presence control on an amp. So, at least to my satisfaction, Surfy Industries seems to live up to the claim they make regarding this product.
Dammit! Now I have to buy a Surfy Bear reverb. Curse you, Synchro! ;) 🏄‍♂️🎸
 

ruger9

Country Gent
Nov 1, 2008
3,722
NJ
I have to say that Surfy Industries knocked it out of the park with their tanks.

I was impressed enough that I ordered a SurfyVibe. (and the current thread about the Blossom Point didn't hurt either!)

I would buy their tremolo as well, if I didn't already have 2 plus 2 amps with it built-in.
 

Synchro

The artist formerly known as: Synchro
Staff member
Jun 2, 2008
27,279
Tucson
I was impressed enough that I ordered a SurfyVibe. (and the current thread about the Blossom Point didn't hurt either!)

I would buy their tremolo as well, if I didn't already have 2 plus 2 amps with it built-in.
I’ll be interested in hearing about that pedal.
 

ruger9

Country Gent
Nov 1, 2008
3,722
NJ
I’ll be interested in hearing about that pedal.

Honestly, vibrato is not something I've ever been interested in, until I heard Hermanos Gutierrez (I started a thread), and one of them uses one, it actually sounds cool for atmospheric/cinematic sounds. He uses the JHS one, but I found this video of the SurfyVibe and loved it, and combined with the Surfybear reverb I just got, I figured I'd go with them. Plus the SurfyVibe is simpler. I like simple.

And orange is my favorite color LOL.

 
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