Mountain Lion/Cougar Stalks Man For 6 Minutes During Run

Discussion in 'Fred's Barcalounge' started by ZackyDog, Oct 13, 2020.

  1. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
    Florida
    A Cougar can jump 18 feet and run 40-50 mph. I’m not so sure a rock or branch would do anything except maybe tempt him when you bend down to get it. We’d likely all be his lunch if he wanted. Respect the wild and carry a firearm if your venturing into the wilderness.
     
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  2. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
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    I had the same thought, toss a rock, but bending down to get the rock might be seen as an opportunity to attack and throwing a rock might be interpreted as a threat. If it was a dog, yep, toss the rock, but cats aren’t dogs and have a different set of rules hardwired in.

    The backstory would interest me. The fellow in the video seemed to know that there were cubs, so I wonder what he was doing before the video. That was definitely not a case of being hunted; the cat would have made its move had it been trying to eat him. This was protective behavior.
     
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  3. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Friend of Fred

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    Sorry to hear that but glad he was resourceful and survived. Yes, as bulky as they are, bears are amazing climbers too:

     
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  4. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Friend of Fred

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    The young man on the right, SJ Brooks, was killed by the cougar pictured above. His friend, Isaac Sederbaum (left) survived but had injuries. It was the first fatality in Washington state in 94 years. This happened in May of 2018.

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    Circa late August 2018, Diana Bober was killed in Mt Hood National Park/Forest.

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  5. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
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    That's a real shame. I hate to think of anyone dying because of wildlife.
     
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  6. SAguitar

    SAguitar Gretschie

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    Jan 17, 2020
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    I was out in the backwoods of Oregon years ago, when I suddenly heard some brush crashing up ahead of me. I had no idea what it was but a few seconds later I saw a bear cresting the hill in front me through a clearing. I was unarmed at the time, so I'm pretty fortunate that he was running away from me.
     
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  7. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
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    You really should shower more often. :)
     
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  8. HypotenusLuvTriangle

    HypotenusLuvTriangle Country Gent

    Oct 27, 2010
    Whittier, Ca
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  9. HypotenusLuvTriangle

    HypotenusLuvTriangle Country Gent

    Oct 27, 2010
    Whittier, Ca
    I don't know how many folks around this site are from the Detroit Area... or ... well, no, it would have been a national campaign....

    Mercury used to build the Cougar, the cheaper knockoff of the Ford Mustang, for years. The actual cougar they used in the adds for a longtime in the 80s to 90s was supplied by a guy that lived down the street from me. He had a huge tree house fort cage built on the front of his property and as kids we used to stop by to see it. The man used to walk it down the street on a leash until parents freaked the hell out and told him to stop. I pet it a few times. It was pretty cool. I think the town/city/parents put up such a huge fuss that they ran him out of town or he was forced to give it up due to insurance costs.
     
  10. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
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    I grew up in Colorado. Back in those days, you had to kill a mountain lion with your bare hands before they'd allow you to advance to Middle School. :)

    Rubbing elbows with the stars? :) That's very cool. I got to pet a half-grown mountain lion once, but that's about the limit of my adventures.

    I have seen a lot of big cat videos and several examples of mountain lions that were at least as tame as house cats. The I_Am_Puma one I mentioned above is better behaved than many dogs. There's one video where he was cleaning it up in the shower and the Puma decided to make a break for it. The guy followed him upstairs and told him to get back down to the shower and I'll be darned if it didn't comply. I just talked my Siamese into leaving my workshop without me having to chase her out and I thought that was a major accomplishment.
     
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  11. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
    Florida
    Mercury was the in between Lincoln and Ford at one point. The first few generations of the Mercury Cougar were actually an upscaled version of the Mustang and not necessarily a cheap knock off. Although yes it naturally shared a lot of parts being under FoMoCo. But it had its own designers. When it debuted in 1967 it actually won Motor Trend car of the year back when it meant something. The slightly longer wheelbase provided a little more comfort for big guys and more comfortable interior. Here’s my 70. Although I need to take more recent photos.


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  12. HypotenusLuvTriangle

    HypotenusLuvTriangle Country Gent

    Oct 27, 2010
    Whittier, Ca
    oooooooh, my dad said it was a cheaper version, but I guess that didn't happen till later when Mercury dropped to lower tier, cause, they totally did in my opinion. I've always found those early Cougars pretty darn hot.

     
  13. jfassett

    jfassett Synchromatic

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    Dec 9, 2017
    Tucson
    Apparently, getting video on ones phone is the priority in today’s world!
     
  14. radd

    radd Country Gent

    Dec 27, 2017
    Santa cruz
    General rule of thought, stay as large as possible, arms raised over your head, anything to look larger if faced with a potential cougar attack.

    I’m no expert, but did play one on TV a number of years ago. We had what might have been a Mountain Lion sighting in one of our community parks and I was the parks and Recreation Director. I spent a lot of time with our very helpful Fish and Game guy and pretty much got schooled on how to respond to a mountain Lion encounter. I was the “expert” TV news interviewed. Pretty funny really.

    Yes, we have Mountains all through our mountains and one even came out of the open space two blocks from my house and walked down the street a year or so ago.
     
  15. Henry

    Henry I Bleed Orange

    Apr 9, 2014
    Petaluma
    That man is an idiot. He's lucky he got away.
     
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  16. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
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    The last thing I want is to be argumentative, but I think he did pretty well. He made at least some noises and we can't really see his body posture, so he might have been standing tall, etc. He did manage to survive, which is saying something. Whether he should have taken the video is a valid question, but I'm not certain that it made things any worse. If it had been me, I would have been making a lot more noise than he did, but years ago, I was trained in how to deal with aggressive dogs and loud noise seems to be a good tactic. I would have tried it with this cat.

    As to throwing a rock, I could argue either direction on that one. I read a news story about this and apparently he came upon some very small felines and didn't know what they were. I didn't get the impression that he was seeking these out, he just stumbled upon them. Then he found out that they were infant cougars, when they mother showed up. According to the story, as I read it, he finally did pick up a rock and that's when the ordeal ended. That seemed like the obvious solution, although I could see a downside as well. Bending over to pick up a rock may have been an opportunity for the cat to attack.
     
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  17. Henry

    Henry I Bleed Orange

    Apr 9, 2014
    Petaluma
    You're right, i should not have said idiot as that may be insulting to others. I should have said stupid.

    He is stupid for what happened before this video. The second he saw the babies he should have known that the mother was near and he should leave. Instead, he chose to take a video because posting videos for 5 minutes of internet fame is de rigeur.

    If I returned to my children to find a strange man filming them, I would have done more than that mountain lion.

    Even when mom shows up, the posting of a video remains his priority.
     
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  18. jfassett

    jfassett Synchromatic

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    Dec 9, 2017
    Tucson
    Agreed! I think it's ridiculous the post and media as well say "man stalked", as a professional climber/mountain guide for over 25 years, I can tell you that is not a mountain lion "stalking", ha!
     
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  19. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
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    For me, the question comes down to what happened before the video. If he saw mountain lion cubs and lingered, even long enough to take a picture, then he used very poor judgment. When I was a small child, my father told e that if I ever saw a baby wild animal, to leave ASAP. If he broke that rule, yes, he was foolish. If it was a chance encounter, a bit of misfortune that placed him too near that mountain lion’s young, then I can’t blame him all that much.
     
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  20. Henry

    Henry I Bleed Orange

    Apr 9, 2014
    Petaluma
    Yep, that is exactly my point. Your father taught you right. My father would have, too, if he knew anything about nature or hiking :rolleyes:.

    This guy had not learned this lesson. This is what I read:

    "Kyle Burgess was a few miles into a run in Utah’s Slate Canyon on Saturday when he spotted what looked like four kittens near the trail. He paused to take a video, unsure what kind of animal they were but thinking they resembled bobcats.

    He soon found out he was wrong.

    Just after Mr. Burgess turned on his camera, an adult mountain lion emerged from the thick brush."​
     
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