It wasn't broken; why did you "fix" it? :(

Discussion in 'The Pickup Place' started by ZackyDog, Sep 22, 2020.

  1. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Friend of Fred

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    That's an oxymoron when you say "a faithful reproduction", combined with, "slightly hotter output than their vintage counterparts".

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    @drmilktruck

    Thanks for the link.
     
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  2. Andrew Paul

    Andrew Paul Electromatic

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    Yes I agree. BTW , How is it a faithful reproduction if it’s hotter than the original? Nothing wrong with the changes just give it a different name. Call DeArmond Dynasonic Plus, or something like that
     
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  3. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

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    Like the $6 Million Dollar Man, we can rebuild him, we can make him better than before.

    "New & Improved" in the grocery business means thsat you can charge more for it.

    Remember "New Coke"?

    It's called "Marketing"!
     
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  4. Andrew Paul

    Andrew Paul Electromatic

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    Yes I do! New Coke STINKS ! you are correct though
     
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  5. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Friend of Fred

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    Well, at least they put that in print, rather than leave it up to the internet grapevine to help you figure out what changed when you play their latest model guitar.
     
  6. Rmccamey

    Rmccamey Electromatic

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    They are exactly the same only different.

     
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  7. Andrew Paul

    Andrew Paul Electromatic

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    LOL
     
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  8. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

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    Then they went back to the original recipe.
    As they always intended to do,

    "Veterans of the Cola Wars"---great band name.
     
  9. tartanphantom

    tartanphantom Friend of Fred

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    Except they're not really Dynasonics. They're re-vamped DeArmond 2000's (like in the Gretsch 512x series).
    Oh, yeah, I did my homework. See here:
    Why Doesn't Gretsch Have This?

    Now, with the DeArmond 2000's, the polepieces indeed are magnets, but they are quite short and do not extend through the bottom of the pickup like the longer Dynasonic magnets. They are also machined and plated to match the pickup ring. This gives them a completely different gauss field and inductance, which is why DeArmond 2000's tend to sound more like "Dyna-lite".
     
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  10. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Friend of Fred

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    That was my college major and undergraduate degree; I worked on the Fujitsu fax marketing team. But, I would never make bullet points like that on a reissue product.
     
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  11. thunder58

    thunder58 Super Moderator Staff Member

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    You meant to say " STINKS " I'm sure ;)
     
  12. thunder58

    thunder58 Super Moderator Staff Member

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    " New and improved " .... what happened to " old and working "
     
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  13. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

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    People just can't leave well enough alone.
     
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  14. Shadowy_Man

    Shadowy_Man Gretschie

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    "Hotter" is not something the relatively niche Dynasonic-buying demographic would ever want. That's like a guarantee for reduced sales.
     
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  15. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck I Bleed Orange

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    Years ago somebody was selling Dyna knockoffs, claiming to be the grandson of the creator of DeArmond. He said his name was Carl DeArmond. One problem: the owner and guiding force behind DeArmond pickups was Harry Rowe. They were absurdly priced Chinese knockoffs, I assume similar to GFS copies.
     
  16. tartanphantom

    tartanphantom Friend of Fred

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    Yeah, I remember that debacle.
     
  17. Henry

    Henry I Bleed Orange

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    Ok conspiracy theory here. The theory is they did not go to the original recipe, they went to the "classic" recipe. The original recipe used a certain mix of sweetners or ingredients and they wanted to adjust them. However, even a modest change would cause an uproar. So they release New Coke, which is completely different and everyone hates it. Coke concedes and says, we hear you, get ready for Classic Coke, no more New Coke.

    But Classic Coke (say 95%) is not the same as Original Coke (100%), they changed the ingredients, but because it was so much closer to Original, and so different from New (say 50%), and the fact that it is now hard to find an Original to make a direct comparison with Classic, everyone is happy.
     
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  18. aFriendbFrosty

    aFriendbFrosty Gretschie

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    Well, original Coca-Cola had cocaine in it so...
     
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  19. dr. love

    dr. love Gretschie

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    I agree it’s marketing gibberish, but the only logical possibility on the authentic vintage but hotter contradiction I can think of is that since some pickup magnets can weaken over time and lose some power, maybe this is intended to be a “fresh off the line spec” reproduction vs an aged vintage condition reproduction. Still, magnet strength and winding are not the same thing.
     
  20. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
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    Whenever I buy Pepsi it’s always a case of it made with real cane sugar. I used to do the same with Coke a while back. But lately it seems like the only Coke I can find with it is the bottled one imported from Mexico. Most claim there’s no taste difference between hi-fructose corn syrup and real cane sugar. I swear I can tell. One tastes closer to I remember as a child, one doesn’t.
     
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