Separate names with a comma.
Discussion in 'Fred's Barcalounge' started by drmilktruck, Feb 17, 2021.
It's not political correctness, it's commercialism.
I used to live within an hour of the HOF and it is a fantastic museum very much worth a day's visit. You will be impressed, I've seen Janis Joplin's Porsche, that whole John Lennon display they had a while ago, Jimi's outfits, tons of guitars seen on album covers and pictures, many pages of notebooks showing handwritten notes as songs were written. Just tons of stuff.
But everything has to grow, right, nothing stands still? I don't love most of what is called music today and probably zero is RnR but they are trying to adjust to the times.
It is a business and they have to add new displays every year to get people coming back. They have to follow wherever popular music is leading. There aren't enough of us old timers left to pay to keep the doors open.
00:36 into La Grange by ZZ Top gets you very close to maximum rock n roll.
I suspect that part of the reason for the name as well is historical. While it's true most of the HOF inductees didn't play "Rock n Roll" they are all post - 1950 or so, when rock n roll became influential. The name is an umbrella term that means, "Not jazz, country, classical, ragtime, big band, etc ..." It plays to the generation that grew up with that music and its descendants.
"Juvenile delinquency of youth, which is what rock and roll is all about."
Just saw on YouTube
I couldn't believe the list. They are all good artist but Rock and Roll? I know there are different types/versions of what people think are Rock. Maybe they should have different categories or years. There are some really good rockers who were playing when this years class wasn't even born but they're ignored some year after year even though they are eligible
Not particularly interested in the list of nominees ( any of us would propose a different one ) and about the debate , here in Italy we could have the same upon minutes needed to perfectly cook spaghetti : anyone has its own concept of that . Maybe some musician could try to describe r'n'r by technical terms ( bpm , arrangements , instruments used , some stuff like that ) but i think that there will always be some guy coming out in asking " Ype , but where r'n'r becomes rock , or shifts to blues , or fall into rockabilly ? " . Mhhhh , matter is too complicate !! Better to prepare a long , long coffee , and some spaghetti sauce f.... Let's Gretsch !
Gray areas always exist, Tim. How do you classify the original Aerosmith Walk This Way and the 1986 cover by Run-DMC with Steven Tyler? Once you hear the Run-DMC version, you realize that the Toys in the Attic original already had the hip hop beat, although I don't know if anyone had coined the term yet in 1975. The hip hop beat permeates music of many genres, so when does one determine that song X is a hip hop song?
Just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm almost 59 and grew up in a Very White Suburb of Cleveland. I was baffled by the appeal gangsta rap held for guys just like me but about 8 or 10 years younger, and still am. Still, I'd rather hear a mµthafµ(ka-laced rap over Blondie's Rapture, which was just lame.
At this point ...any credible rock and roll bands , performers, singers, etc . Should just say no.. no thank you. We dont need you to the RRHF.
It's a joke
Actually it's both those things.
Well Aerosmith did the rock version and Run-DMC did the rap version. Nothing wrong with that but Run-DMC is not Rock N Roll.
Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby did covers of Beatle songs but their versions were not Rock N Roll.
I grew up in Cleveland in the ‘50s listening to Alan Freed on WJW and back then, the term “Rock & Roll had very little to with guitar driven music. It originated from musical styles such as gospel, jump blues, jazz, boogie woogie, & rhythm and blues. Google “Rock & Roll Boogie” and take a look at Alan Freed and his band in action.
Just like many (most?) music awards. the Hall has lost focus on what belongs there. I find it increasingly difficult to bother watching them or reading about them. I'm very grateful that I grew up listening and playing the music of the 50's, 60's and 70's. This, of course, is totally subjective but for me, this was rock n' roll.
I think, more than anything, Rock n Roll or Rock, is an attitude, an approach to making music. It's about being a rebel, about breaking with tradition, but also about keeping certain traditions and ideas alive. I mean, look at us, obsessed with Gretsch guitars and other stuff that's got a vintage design or actually is vintage and yet, a lot of us are putting our spin on things, keeping it as fresh as we can. But, more than anything, it's the attitude. It's not rock if you're sitting down. There's gotta be hearts pumping and a bit of sweat along with that cool...
I think it has something to do with putting another dime in the jukebox, baby.
Around the time ''Penny Lane'' was released, John Lennon said ''Rock and Roll will be whatever we want it to be''.
You have to go back a lot further than Chuck Berry, you have to go back at least as far as Robert Johnson.
I have a box set of everything he ever recorded, it's just fabulous.
Brian Jones turned the Stones on to Robert Johnson to a point, if you know all of Johnson's tunes, what the Stones did was a direct rip off of Johnson's music.
To know all the early 50's rockers, you first have to know Robert Johnson.