I Love Rock n Roll - But What Is It?

Discussion in 'Fred's Barcalounge' started by drmilktruck, Feb 17, 2021.

  1. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck I Bleed Orange

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    Last week the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame announced the 2021 nominees. I usually start a thread about the nominees. Invariably it degenerates into "Artist X isn't rock n roll," or "Genre R isn't rock." So instead, I'd rather ask these questions directly:

    What is rock n roll? How is it different than other guitar based popular music genres?

    Is it the same as rock music? If not, how does it differ?

    Is it still alive today? Are there new artists making new rock n roll?
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  2. I am sitting by and waiting the debate. Coffee in hand.
  3. Sabato

    Sabato Country Gent

    Mar 22, 2019
    If you tried to give rock & roll another name you might call it Chuck Berry
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  4. S.R.Cash

    S.R.Cash Gretschie

    Aug 29, 2019
    Ontario, Canada
    Indie, I hear plenty of 'Rock & Roll' (when there were shows)...
    On the radio at work, I hear no Rock & Roll.
  5. Gregor

    Gregor Synchromatic

    Oct 17, 2018
    New Brunswick, Canada
    Nope! Rock music doesn't "roll".
  6. Gretschtim1

    Gretschtim1 Country Gent

    Dec 4, 2012
    Dundalk, Md
    I'll tell you what ain't Rock N Roll - rap and hip hop.
    It's a completely different genre of music and should be handled as such.
    Just like pure country music is not Rock N Roll. If they want to bunch it all together then they should have a pop music hall of fame.
    There you go - let the debate begin...:D.

    The list is the worst I've ever seen for the RRHF.
    Where's the Rock N Roll in Jay-Z and Mary J. Blige?
    What a joke!
    No wonder I stopped watching award shows.
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  7. dak55

    dak55 Country Gent

    May 31, 2018
    Central Florida
    It would be better if they just changed the name. Of course you couldn't even get 5 people to agree on what it should be called. With a couple notable exceptions it's the weakest list of nominees I can remember seeing.
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  8. thunder58

    thunder58 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 23, 2010
    tappan ny
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    " if it ain't loud , it ain't Rock and Roll brother "
  9. 5120mantis

    5120mantis Country Gent

    Mar 6, 2011
    Rock and Roll ha drums that swing
    And ill be the middle aged grump who says : it should be the pop music hall of fame, due to non rock n rollers inducted.
    To double down on the grump:
    Rory Gallagher has been eligible since 1996, he should be inducted post haste.
    Now get off my lawn...*spits tabbaccy and loads nerf arrow into nerf launcher*)
  10. MrWookiee

    MrWookiee Gretschie

    Jun 17, 2020
    SoCal, USA
    I think Rock 'n Roll described the way people danced to the music, or the way the music made them ditty-bop. Of course, I'm not sure people actually rolled on the floor lol. That came later, with break dancing.
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  11. Sabato

    Sabato Country Gent

    Mar 22, 2019
  12. MrWookiee

    MrWookiee Gretschie

    Jun 17, 2020
    SoCal, USA
    Looks like the J. Geils Band was snubbed by voters again.
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  13. DennisC

    DennisC Country Gent

    May 11, 2017
    It's a lot easier to say what it is not. So ... maybe we collect everything that is not Rock and Roll, and what's left over is part of it?

    ... for nobody forgetting it: Whales and Cucumbers are not an essential part of Rock and Roll. Although they're kind of cool, too.

    Nah, kidding ... hard to describe. It definitely is music, but also it is definitely more than just music alone.
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  14. Sabato

    Sabato Country Gent

    Mar 22, 2019
    Maybe dancing in the dark...... From Wikipedia:
    The phrase "rocking and rolling" originally described the movement of a ship on the ocean,[15] but by the early 20th century was used both to describe the spiritual fervor of black church rituals[16] and as a sexual analogy.
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  15. englishman

    englishman Gretschified

    Apr 5, 2014
    I know it when I hear it.

    Jay-Z= Not rock.

    Why isn't Bad Company or at least Paul Rodgers in there?
  16. Setzerhotrod

    Setzerhotrod Country Gent

    Oct 26, 2011
    Anchorage Alaska
    Can’t describe it but know what it is when I hear it
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  17. Sabato

    Sabato Country Gent

    Mar 22, 2019
    Whenever I hear J. Geils I feel bad for Peter Wolf who was the lead singer and songwriter. He was also a founding member of Rock and Roll radio, WBCN Boston.
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  18. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    As a ‘50s genre of music, it’s an amalgam of blues, country, jazz, but in electrified form.

    As stage volume increased(with the help of PAs) and being loud became an integral part of a band’s musical identity, it turned into Rock.

    Today Rock and Roll is seemingly an all encompassing term for every guitar driven band. No electric guitar, no rock and roll. I’m assuming it’s still being made but don’t really know.
    New guitar music has been boring and stale for me for the last 2 decades. No big loss for either party I guess. ;)
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  19. MrWookiee

    MrWookiee Gretschie

    Jun 17, 2020
    SoCal, USA
    Primarily guitar-driven, yes, but what about the Big Bopper? Or little Richard's piano stuff? Or Zamfir Plays Kashmir? (Wish I could find that video again!)
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