How fake is my Setzer ?

Discussion in 'THE Gretsch Discussion Forum' started by Pitibecks, Dec 5, 2021.

  1. Pitibecks

    Pitibecks Newbie

    2
    Dec 4, 2021
    Berlin
    Hello everyone, sorry if this is yet another "did I get a fake Gretsch?" post but I need your expertise and help.

    I got what was sold to me as a Gretsch Setzer on a auction house specialised in music instruments, they were selling the personal collection of a "famous" French guitar collector.

    The only indication they could give me at that time, was that this was a Gretsch made in Asia.

    A lot of details caught my attention since it doesn't look like a typical Setzer.

    Now that I have it, I'm very suspicious. To be honest, it has good points : the weight is heavy, the touch is great, the neck is smooth, it's well varnished and the sound is pretty good BUT :

    - 2 dice pots, one master volume and only one switch? I don't know what model would have that.
    - the mics look awfully neutral. Fake TV Jones?
    - b700 on a Setzer?
    - the back strap pin?
    - the black switch knob?
    - the inside is pretty empty and simple, and have what appears to be Asian lettering written in it.
    - no serial or label (obviously)

    LOTS of red flags, I know. But anyway, I trusted the auction house, their expertise was supposed to be enough but now I really doubt I have a real Gretsch. What do you think?

    Thanks for your help and your time, I really appreciate your support. Cheers, Thibault

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  2. G5422T

    G5422T Country Gent

    May 24, 2012
    usa
    Sorry, but it's a FAKE.

    Really fake, not even a Gretsch.
     
  3. Wozob

    Wozob Country Gent

    Jul 6, 2014
    The Netherlands
    I'm sorry, but it's indeed a fake. I hope you can get your money back if you bought it from a renowned auction house.
     
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  4. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Friend of Fred

    Age:
    57
    Feb 6, 2015
    In the USA
    • The headstock inscription
    • The body shape
    • The pickups
    • The fake bigsby
    • The construction
    • The f holes
    • Etc
    Sorry, it is 100% fake.
     
  5. TSims1

    TSims1 Gretschified

    Jun 18, 2013
    Atlanta
    Incredibly fake. A SUPER BAD fake. Nothing about this is authentic and I’m sorry you got taken advantage of.
     
  6. Pitibecks

    Pitibecks Newbie

    2
    Dec 4, 2021
    Berlin
    Thanks guys, that's what I thought too. I already texted the auction house, I'll do everything I can to get my money back, they sold a fake at an auction, legally it's their responsibility. I'll keep you updated about the result! Thanks again for the support!
     
  7. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Friend of Fred

    Age:
    57
    Feb 6, 2015
    In the USA
    De nada. I hope it goes well.
     
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  8. Stefan87

    Stefan87 Country Gent

    May 20, 2019
    Brisbane, Australia
    Very sorry to see what's happened. am interested to hear how you go so best of luck getting it sorted with the Auction house.

    In saying that if that has come from an auction house that specializes in musical instruments and with the amount of information that is a click away these days I'm surprised that has slipped through, someone mustn't have done their research before hand.
     
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  9. wildeman

    wildeman I Bleed Orange

    May 10, 2015
    norcal
    That auction house should be very interested in making this right, their reputation would be ruined if it got around that they sold blatant counterfeits.
     
  10. mbkri

    mbkri Country Gent

    Sep 22, 2012
    Chicago
    It’s a lovely carpet though.
     
  11. audept

    audept Senior Gretsch-Talker

    Age:
    74
    Dec 1, 2010
    Sydney, Australia
    Welcome to the forum, @Pitibecks ! So sorry you got caught with a fake, I hope the auction company sorts this out for you, best of luck!
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  12. Jelly Roll Horton

    Jelly Roll Horton Country Gent

    Nov 10, 2017
    Portland, OR
    That is unfortunate. Please let us know how you fare with the auction house. It might help others too if you revealed the name of the house (if this forum allows that). Good luck.
     
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  13. Jeremiah_S

    Jeremiah_S Electromatic

    77
    Oct 19, 2018
    New England
    yeah if they try to burn you at ALL, hell, even if they don't, please let us know which one it is. At the very LEAST, they don't know guitars. At the worst, they're scam artists.
     
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  14. Gretschzilla

    Gretschzilla Gretschie

    122
    Apr 20, 2021
    Saint Paul, MN USA
    This. Please identify them now. If they were taken in this easily, they need to get out of the business of auctioning guitars. I have a real Setzer Smoke. This is way off.
     
  15. thunder58

    thunder58 Super Moderator Staff Member

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    63
    Dec 23, 2010
    tappan ny
    Admin Post
    So sorry my friend . But welcome to the forum , we're all friends here
     
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  16. Desirsar

    Desirsar Gretschie

    Age:
    43
    112
    Jun 9, 2021
    Lincoln, NE
    I'm not familiar with the features of vintage or high end models, so I was passing over a few "looks bad, but I don't know for sure", until it got to the licensed Bigsby. Pretty sure the only signature model with a licensed Bigsby is the Nick13 Electromatic.
     
  17. Archtops

    Archtops Country Gent

    Mar 4, 2021
    SoCal
    Love the rug! Best of luck on the return!
     
  18. TV the Wired Turtle

    TV the Wired Turtle Gretschified

    Jul 25, 2009
    Sandy Eggo
    ohh dang! That is not only a fake but a bad ripoff of an electromatic, the bottom line of gretsch guitars.
     
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  19. radd

    radd Country Gent

    Dec 27, 2017
    Santa Cruz
    Good luck, please let us know what response you get from the auction house.

    Was it a CC purchase? If yes, look for help there is you need it.
     
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  20. Jelly Roll Horton

    Jelly Roll Horton Country Gent

    Nov 10, 2017
    Portland, OR
    I’m the same. Except for me it was the poor rendering of the logo. Look at that E.
     
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