Gretsch wiring, is it kinda 50’s wiring?

Discussion in 'Technical Side of Things' started by alex73013, Jan 24, 2020.

  1. alex73013

    alex73013 Newbie

    Jan 24, 2020
    I have an Electromatic Jet. I removed the treble bleed from the master volume. I usually keep the individual volumes all the way on 10 and just the master volume to adjust the volume. The treble bleed may have been to strong when I had it and maybe I would have preferred one of the adjustable ones that I haven’t installed so I could get a more subtle effect. I noticed that if I roll the tone control down half way it doesn’t roll off the treble much but what I do notice is that with it at 50% it gives me a better taper for my master volume. It also seems to preserve the treble better with the tone at 50% when I roll down the master volume. It also affects the volume when rolling down the master volume just as if I had an LP with 50s wiring. But what is weird if I have the master volume rolled down the turn the tone pot to 100% it’s noticeably more muffled and louder than if I had the tone pot rolled off and the master volume rolled down as well. I don’t know why this is? What’s good though is that with my time knob at 50% it doesn’t really roll off much highs at all regardless of how I set my volume control. I’m thinking about switching the master volume pot to a 1 meg or removing the individual pickup volumes or wiring a switch to bypass them to see how my master volume and tone work without the individuals in the circuit. I know it’ll brighten the guitar a tad and make it a little louder but just how different it’ll be from how I have it will be interesting.

    Can anyone explain my observations regarding setting the tone control rolled off to get better treble retention and taper with the master volume?

    is Gretsch kinda 50s wiring in that the tone pot comes after the volumes? It’s similar to a Flying V I guess but with a master volume.

    And would changing the master volume to 1 meg make the taper, cleanup when rolling down the volume and sound/behavior similar to if I bypassed the individual volume pots?
  2. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    IME, changing the resistance of the vol pot alone generally won't effect the taper, that's dictated by the taper of the wiper in the pot. Adding/removing treble bleed on one can however, especially if you've got a resistor in series or parallel w/ the cap used for the purpose. I'd expect the 1M master pot to brighten the tone overall a bit, whether you're rolled off or not.

    For me, " '50s" tone stack wiring generally refers to running the cap off of the middle lug of your volume directly to an outside lug of your tone pot w/ the middle lug connected to ground. This usually results in less of a treble loss when rolling down the volume than the alternative.

    These are just my hack observations from semi-unscientific experimentation though.
  3. alex73013

    alex73013 Newbie

    Jan 24, 2020
    I had an Epiphone Les Paul before this guitar and it rolled off the highs more when rolling down the volume pot but what gets me with my Gretsch is that is if I set the master volume at 50% and the tone at 50% it is brighter than if the tone was at 100% while still keeping the master volume at 50%. However, rolling up the tone while the master volume is at 50% increases the volume quite a bit because the master tone is last in line and is connected to the output of the master volume.
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  4. audept

    audept Senior Gretsch-Talker

    Dec 1, 2010
    Sydney, Australia
    Welcome to the forum, alex73013!
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  5. new6659

    new6659 Country Gent

    I've observed the same thing in all my tone circuit Gretsches. Not sure why it is but now I'm accustomed to it.
  6. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
  7. alex73013

    alex73013 Newbie

    Jan 24, 2020
    That was interesting link to the dyna wiring thread. Currently, I’m really liking the tones I’m getting and the options. It is cool to have the individual volumes and a master volume for recording.
  8. wildeman

    wildeman Gretschified

    May 10, 2015
    I like it myself. Not a treble bleed fan
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