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I love The Hollies.
Wife and I watched the first part. She lost interest about 1/2 way through. I liked it but almost ff ‘d through the constant discussions about selecting a venue.
Paul was impressive, watching him create on the fly. Poor George did not fair as well. He appeared to need to take a piece, digest it and develop his part. It didn’t help that Paul kept telling him what to do. I was surprised what a back seat Lennon took verbally but he let his guitar do a lot of creating.
Surprisingly I have a lot less dislike for Yoko. She stayed out of the creating and appeared to be accepted by the others and her short bit, screaming with the three Beatles jamming around her appeared to be enjoyed by all of them.
One of my favorite moments is when Ringo brings Octopus's Garden in, and plays it at the piano for George. George figures out the resolving chord structure and this catches the ear of George Martin who joins them at the piano.
Would love to have film of George figuring out the intro and solo. Among my favorite post-Rubber Soul/Revolver guitar parts in their catalogue.
I watched it over the weekend and finished part 3 last night. I thought it was pretty good overall, yet long.
It was a bit tedious for sure; but I really enjoyed seeing the process, the instruments, the old recording gear.
My takeaways from it all:
1) John wasn't quite the pretentious artist I sort of thought him to be, and Ringo was just as goofy as I always thought him to be.
2) Paul was the force I always knew he was and George sort of sat back in the shadows and seemed resolved to it all; except when he wasn't.
3) Now I want a dang Casino and a Rosewood Tele.
I'm only part way through the first episode. I was kind of taken by surprise with Paul's Jimmie Nicol reference, and George mentioning the PA at the Top Ten Club. In my mind, 1962-1964 Beatles might as well be a completely different band from 1969 Beatles. But for them, that was all stuff that happened not so long ago.
There's one instance I'm aware of. During the filming of the "Help!" skiing scene in Austria, on one evening after shooting, John and Paul jammed with the hotel band, which was led by Jacky Spelter, an acquaintance from the Hamburg days. John borrowed a Jazzmaster on that occasion. I'm guessing that they may have had a couple of drinks.
Ha! Maybe more than a couple, from the looks of it! - thx
Another tweet I saw
Lennon: Emotionally unavailable Father
McCartney: Domineering Mother
Harrison: Emo Teen
Ringo: Good natured 10-year-old who would Rather be using Disney + to watch the avengers
Abbey Road is full of great guitar work throughout. Let It Get Back was the stripped down tones without effects and studio processing - a big difference to my ears.
The guitar parts and tone of the lead guitar in Octopus' Garden is one of my favorites too.
That said George played a fine solo and the Telly sounded good on One After 909.
Yoko's greatest recorded moments............._________________________
Oh my! Second part, Billy Preston joined the boys in rehearsal. What a talent!
I watched the whole thing over the weekend and will most likely watch them again for the rest of my life. While it's long I would still be interested in seeing additional footage. I loved the whole process of seeing these guys create songs that from my perspective I can't imagine not existing.
John Lennon - He is extremely and naturally funny. I would have loved to be in a band with this guy. "And now, your hosts for this evening, The Rolling Stones." His talent appears effortless but the best always make it appear that way. I love the sound he is getting from his Casino. It's perfect for his playing. It makes sense that he would gravitate towards it. I think if that guy who took his life would have seen this footage it just may have changed his opinion of him. Watching this documentary makes me love the guy who wrote and performed all of those songs I love even more than I already did. I hear it did the same thing for Julian Lennon. That to me makes this all worth it if nothing else. His spirit shines brightly in this. It's no wonder the other 3 looked up to him. He seemed to have no pretense about him at all. He was just a regular guy who also happened to be a genius who accomplished extraordinary things in his life.
Paul McCartney - Wow, what a talent and what an attempt by him to be the most diplomatic leader he could be to keep the band going. He didn't always succeed but he seemed to be the only person in the band who still had the drive to take the band somewhere new. He picked up the ball when nobody else could be bothered, especially John. I loved the scene where he calls out John on his lack of leadership where previously he was the de-facto leader. John appeared surprised that the others looked to him in this way. To see him create masterpieces from scratch was extremely inspiring. He is the most versatile and multi-talented Beatle. He has more love in his heart here for everyone around him than he ever got credit for. I love being able to see the human side of Paul as a band member. "In 50 years time they'll say The Beatles broke up because Yoko sat on an amp." How did he know? Ha!
George Harrison - George creates the story arc in this documentary. He is also the voice of reason who keeps the Beatles grounded in reality while their heads are in the clouds with all of their and director Michael Lindsay-Hogg's wild ideas about what they could do. George is the only one who tries to inject whether something is cost effective or not. His frustration, especially at the beginning is apparent but to me it is mostly justified. I get the sense that we are witnessing his explosion after years of build up. Without knowing about the build up he does occasionally come across as grumpy. He is the one who brings Billy Preston into the conversation very early on. I love it when he hears the potential in Ringo's Octopuses Garden and starts helping him with it immediately. I found it fascinating that he had a whole backlog of songs but chose to bring two songs that he wrote the night before, both of which ended up on Let It Be. I would have loved to hear All Things Must Pass as a Beatles song. The Beatles completely fell apart and lost focus when he left but were then rejuvenated and even more focused after he came back. His Telecaster sounds better than I remember! He seemed to really like it. I wonder why he gave it away.
Ringo Starr - If this documentary was on the White Album instead of Let It Be Ringo would have created the story arc. Where this documentary starts he is back, solid, foundational, reliable, loving and fun. He has so much patience and takes it all in stride. I also noticed he hardly ever noodles around on his drums in between songs. How great is that? His playing is so great you hardly notice him during the rehearsals. Once he's on the rooftop he's on fire! He is the ultimate, true professional drummer. He is very much a team player, listens intensely and intently to direction, plays with a rock solid groove with a fluid swing and is fun to be around. I love the conversation between Michael Lindsay-Hogg and Linda Eastman where they both agree that Ringo is awesome. He comes across as almost a supporting character in this documentary but that's mostly because he doesn't create any drama.
Billy Preston - John Lennon is right, Billy lifted the whole band, the whole sound, the whole bar and their whole game to a higher level. His playing is perfect and his attitude is one of gratitude and professionalism. You can tell the whole band is really happy he's there. What a fluke that he just showed up to say hi right when they were discussing hiring a good keyboard player. Really? Not only is he a good keyboard player, he sounds like he is the only keyboard player for these songs, the same as the other 4. I'm convinced God made this happen for them and for us. I wish there were more scenes with him talking. By looking at his face though he seems thrilled to be there. Not only did he show up exactly at the right place at the right time but he brought his stellar A game. This is a perfect example of opportunity knocking and the right person seizing it.
Yoko Ono - She was there but she minded her own business. She only spoke up or got on the mic when they asked her to or wanted her to. She was not the nuisance she has been made out to be. She seemed very pleasant. There was a moment where Yoko and Linda were laughing in conversation. There was also a great shot on the rooftop of Yoko sitting next to Maureen Starkey near the beginning. She turns at looks at the camera and she has this look on her face of confidence and peace.
Linda Eastman - Linda shines brightly in this. She is her own person with her own life and didn't need Paul, she wanted Paul. This is exactly why they were so great together. They seem to be two strong but sensitive people coming together who ended up making a beautiful family and another great band together.
Patty Boyd Harrison - She's not in this much but she gives George a nice kiss when she shows up.
Maureen Starkey - She has so much enthusiasm when she's around. She loves The Beatles! She must have wanted to be there as much as Yoko. She probably should have been there more than Yoko. I bet she would ask Ringo tons of questions when he got home from work every night or day.
That's advanced Keef.
Good post and right on target.
Except I think the director probably decided to leave out the Yoko footage during the times she was being an over intrusive ass like she was on stage during several John Lennon live shows from the late 60s - early 70s....
She's so freakin annoying just like those Bendcarrot.com commercials.
One thing that was somewhat disturbing for me was just how terrible George looked. The other three looked healthy and in pretty good shape. George looked like he was doing the Clapton hard drug thing.
Interesting……After watching most of the second part I got on my Tele and had one of my best practice sessions ever working on a song I had been struggling with in regards to the timing in a couple sections.
That's great! I also have been playing my Tele since I started watching. Played the intro to octopus's garden probably 500 times now... So I wouldn't be surprised if that is his Les Paul
Part one was a little tedious, but I definitely saw more of the reasons why George got up and left. Paul and John admit to it in Part 2 in that "hidden mike on the table" conversation agreeing that they both were being unfair to George.
What really got me was in Part three where George is speaking with John, telling him he had a boatload of songs ready to go and wanted to put out an album - and also suggested that the others do the same (give Beatles a rest) and come back after a year or two recharged and ready to be Beatles again. John agreed....
May explain why All Things...and some others were not pushed for the Let It Be record - George had other plans (good for him).
One of the real kickers (and it is why they broke up eventually) was when John mentions that they are having a meeting with Allan Kline and the look of disgust on Paul's face would stop a clock (he wanted them to use Linda Eastman's dad as their manager). Eventually that's what did them in sadly.
It's bizarre how slimy and disruptive the music management industry is, or at least was. I'd say a lot more managers have destroyed bands than wives or girlfriends.
Allan Klein was a crook. Paul knew it, The Rolling Stones knew it too along with a few other bands. I can't see why John, George and Ringo didn't see it as well. I guess they figured Paul's father in law would favor Paul but Paul was actually looking out for all of them. A few years later they all realized that Allan had to go. A bunch of bands sued Allan in the 70s. The Stones lost control of their early recordings and Allan made million off of The Beatles.
Another tangent, I saw this episode of Classic Albums today on a local PBS broadcast channel, it features interviews with the band and studio engineers, including Alan Parsons, who was seen in the background operating the tape machine in Get Back. He was a bit more involved in the studio in the making of this record, a few years later:
Classic Albums: Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon
I totally agree