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Fender set to replace rosewood fretboards

Discussion in 'Other Cool Guitars' started by Gimper, May 19, 2017.

  1. Gimper

    Gimper Gretschie

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    Oct 30, 2016
    Ont, Canada
    Fender set to replace rosewood fretboards on Mexican-made and American Elite guitars and basses

    On 2 January this year, the CITES law came into force, putting restrictions on how rosewood is traded across international borders - we're now seeing the first effects of the legislation, as Fender announces plans to cut down on its use of the wood.

    According to Andertons, from June/July, all Mexican-made and American Elite guitars and basses will no longer feature rosewood fingerboards.

    Mexican models will switch to Pau Ferro, a wood similar to rosewood that has previously been used in the Stevie Ray Vaughan signature Strat.

    American Elite models, on the other hand, will come equipped with ebony.

    It's likely other manufacturers will follow suit in the coming months, so a word of warning to rosewood fans: get your guitar-buying in now.

    http://www.musicradar.com/news/fend...an-made-and-american-elite-guitars-and-basses

    https://blog.andertons.co.uk/guitars/fender-rosewood
     
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  2. Aymara

    Aymara Country Gent

    Jul 6, 2013
    Germany
    What I find pretty astonishing about these new CITES regulations is the fact, that rosewood is affected, but ebony is not, though as far as I know, it is similarly endangered as rosewood, maybe even more.
     
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  3. JC higgy

    JC higgy Friend of Fred

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    Ebony on the Elite series....interesting.
     
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  5. Stefan

    Stefan Country Gent

    Jan 20, 2016
    Germany
    Clear to see this will affect all companies including Gretsch.
     
  6. TSims1

    TSims1 Friend of Fred

    Jun 18, 2013
    Atlanta
    And suddenly I will be buying an Elite Series. :)
     
  7. loudnlousy

    loudnlousy Country Gent

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    I always prefered ebony over rosewood anyway.....
     
  8. Fjrabon

    Fjrabon Gretschie

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    Mar 7, 2017
    Atlanta
    I'm a rosewood guy. But mostly just because I don't like Ebony and rosewood is usually the only fretboard that doesn't come with a poly coating on top. As long as the Pau Ferro is uncoated, I'll be fine with it.
     
  9. Gimper

    Gimper Gretschie

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    Oct 30, 2016
    Ont, Canada
    I like what Bob Taylor is doing with Ebony...

     
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  10. Uncle Daddy

    Uncle Daddy Country Gent

    Jan 19, 2012
    Maldon UK
    After playing ebony, I find rosewood a bit meh.
     
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  12. Aymara

    Aymara Country Gent

    Jul 6, 2013
    Germany
    Yes, but that won't rescue this endangered species. It is a joke, that CITES regulates rosewood, but not ebony.
     
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  13. Gimper

    Gimper Gretschie

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    Oct 30, 2016
    Ont, Canada
    I think Richlite wants to be in this conversation. ;)
     
  14. Aymara

    Aymara Country Gent

    Jul 6, 2013
    Germany
    I totally hate Richlite, but I fear some day the synthetic guitar will be standard. The first company got specialized:

    http://aristidesinstruments.com/story
     
  15. Aymara

    Aymara Country Gent

    Jul 6, 2013
    Germany
    PS: I think, what's important is, that consumers become aware of the problem of endangered species and how dramatic it already really is.
     
  16. audept

    audept I Bleed Orange

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  17. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck Friend of Fred

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    Thanks, Mark. The actual steps Fender is taking are pretty half-assed. Trying to look good but not making any real changes. Basically it's Pau Ferro for MIM, Ebony for US made, rosewood still for everyone else, including Gretsch.
     
  18. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck Friend of Fred

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    Ebony is CITES Appendix II, just like rosewood, but the special attention is being paid to rosewood due to demand for rosewood furniture skyrocketing in China.

    It's not a guitar issue, it's a furniture issue, fretboards are collateral damage to the real problem. Unfortunately most of the time the 80% who follow the law are punished along with the 20% that don't.
     
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  19. Ricochet

    Ricochet Gretschified

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    In some circles Pao Ferro would be considered a upgrade over Rosewood. :)
    I'm surprised it isn't more endangered than Rosewood. Of course these things are all about making the big political correct arm waving gesture.
     
  20. englishman

    englishman Friend of Fred

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    The great thing about bureaucrats, particularly the bunch in Brussels, is that Pao Ferro can be added to the list with the stoke of a pen.... along with whatever else becomes popular as a result of their previous actions.
     
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  21. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck Friend of Fred

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    It's long been time to move away from the use of guitar woods that are favored primarily because they've "always" been. There are lots of species that could be very good replacements for the traditional ones, with no loss of quality.

    One example: persimmon wood is an ebony species, so has all the same characteristics. Osage orange from Texas is just as hard.

    Here's a good article from American Lutherie on the subject. Emphasizes the most perfect expression in the guitar world: "psychoacoustics" - we hear what we want and expect to hear, unmoored to any objective evidence.

    http://www.guitarnation.com/articles/calkin.htm
     
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