Eddie Cochran lyric question

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  1. Jelly Roll Horton

    Jelly Roll Horton Country Gent

    Nov 10, 2017
    Portland, OR
    Jeannie Jeannie Jeannie is a classic Cochran song, but there is a lyric that I can't decipher: "...all the cats are hoppin' at the Big 5-4"
    I can't find any explanation for what the Big 5-4 is or was, and I grew up in that era! Does anyone here know?

     
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  3. GVDobler

    GVDobler Synchromatic

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    Does it have anything to do with the nite spot Studio 54 in NYC? Don't know if that was around back then.
     
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  4. dlew919

    dlew919 Country Gent

    Jul 18, 2016
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    I’m guessing it’s a club of some kind.
     
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  5. Jelly Roll Horton

    Jelly Roll Horton Country Gent

    Nov 10, 2017
    Portland, OR
    The song, as I understand it, was written by Eddie to impress a fan when he was in England, so whatever 5-4 is or was is likely something known over there. A club, record store, or maybe a slang term???
     
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  6. Jelly Roll Horton

    Jelly Roll Horton Country Gent

    Nov 10, 2017
    Portland, OR
    That Studio 54 was a radio and television studio from the late 40s till 1977, so unlikely that was the reference for Jeannie.
     
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  7. thunder58

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  8. Merc

    Merc Friend of Fred

    May 6, 2017
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    I’m not sure if it was for a fan. I’ve read it was rumored he wrote it in part for or inspired by Jeanne Carmen who he appeared with in the movie “Untamed Youth”. This video has them dancing together at about 2:50.

    https://jeannecarmen.com/2017/04/20/pin-up-icon-jeanne-carmen-rockabilly-icon-eddie-cochran/

    I’ve never seen the movie, but I wonder if it’s a reference to the dance hall in it? Makes me want to watch it if I had the time.
     
  9. Jelly Roll Horton

    Jelly Roll Horton Country Gent

    Nov 10, 2017
    Portland, OR
    Well, after 60 years, we may never know. If, in 1965, I had been researching a lyric from "The Sidewalks of New York" I would have to find a source from 1905! o_O It’s not much easier now.
    PS: take the time to watch it if you’re a Cochran fan. It’s a great song! Get’s ‘em up dancing. And if they’re dancing, you own the show. Yeah, Jeanne Carmen was somethin’!

    https://www.wallofcelebrities.com/celebrities/jeanne-carmen/biography.html
     
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  10. TV the Wired Turtle

    TV the Wired Turtle Gretschified

    Jul 25, 2009
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    I dont know, I actually thought it was a Stray Cats song , growing up in the 80s :) In later years I learned more about Eddie and that that song was originally written about a guy and then the fact that the stray cats version was more aggro than the original Eddie version.
    When I did it at the Cochran fest, I stayed true to the lyrics I had in tow but took liberty in the arrangement.
     
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  11. rockndawg

    rockndawg Electromatic

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    Pretty cool Tavo version, i had never seen that. Thanks for posting .
    Bonus having Buddy and Suzy playing...those guys (Gal) and always GREAT!
     
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  13. Jelly Roll Horton

    Jelly Roll Horton Country Gent

    Nov 10, 2017
    Portland, OR
    @5120mantis Thanks for the link to the earlier discussion.
    Here is a link to more of its history, but still no explanation of "the big 5 4"
    https://secondhandsongs.com/work/55641/all
    The song was written by Ricki Page and George Matola. First known recorded release was by Eddie Cochran in 1958.
     
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  14. Henry

    Henry I Bleed Orange

    Apr 9, 2014
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    I don't know the song but darn it I'm curious now!
     
  15. Jelly Roll Horton

    Jelly Roll Horton Country Gent

    Nov 10, 2017
    Portland, OR
    Refer to the video in post #1.
     
  16. Henry

    Henry I Bleed Orange

    Apr 9, 2014
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    I'm more curious about the big five four than the song in general.
     
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