Dynasonics versus Humbuckers

Discussion in 'THE Gretsch Discussion Forum' started by Hoot, Sep 17, 2020.

  1. Hoot

    Hoot Electromatic

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    Jun 25, 2019
    Southern IL, USA
    Hello all, I'm seriously considering getting my dream guitar, a G6128T, the Duo Jet. After much research and watching videos I'm still unsure about which pickups to go for....the single coil Dynasonics, or Filtertron humbuckers?

    My fav guitarist at the moment is Jerry Miller of the Eileen Jewell Band. He plays a Gretsch Roundup, which he said is basically a Duo Jet with Dynasonics. My concern is the 60 cycle hum with single coils. Will this be a problem if I step on a compressor pedal along with an Ibanez Tube Screamer?

    I'm a baby boomer and my favorite bands are groups like The Beatles, Byrds, Kinks, and Ventures. I'm a British invasion enthusiast and big fan of country rock players...if this has any bearing on pickup selection.

    I'll be trading in a few instruments I never play to ease the cost...a Takamine acous/elec about $800 new, a Joe's guitar, Rogue, which originally sold for $2,200...in mint condition, an Epiphone Les Paul Florentine, with the two F holes, a soprano Applause ukulele acous/elec with the small filigree sound holes.

    Any advice on the pros and cons of the Gretsch pickups available with the Duo Jets would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance for any replies.
     
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  2. DaddyDog

    DaddyDog Country Gent

    Sep 18, 2011
    Mississauga, Canada
    The single coil buzz from Dynasonics drives me crazy. So much so, that I had a custom set of hum cancelling pickups installed in a White Falcon.
     
  3. Back in Black

    Back in Black Gretschie

    218
    Jun 22, 2020
    Ontario Canada
    Hoot,

    In my collection, two of my favorites, early, modified Pro Jet, George Harrison Duo Jet, and I wouldn't have either one of them set up any other way.

    Your Dyna's won't buzz if the string height in relation to the top of the magnets is set up correctly, especially on a Jet, one of the big hollow body models, different story.

    Good luck with your new Jet, my personal favorites, I have three.

    BIB.

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  4. Marv666

    Marv666 Electromatic

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    Jul 26, 2020
    Germany
    Both are great choices!
    I have tv jones classics and brian setzer in 2 hollowbodys, de armonds in my 5125 and blacktop filtertrons in a jet.
    I like all of them but i feel like dynasonic style pickups would work especially well in a jet.
    I have been thinking about putting some in my jet but the jet with blacktop filters is soooo good for high gain chugging.
     
  5. mister rain

    mister rain Gretschie

    266
    Apr 23, 2020
    new orleans
    just going on the op’s stated influences, dynas would be a pretty safe bet.

    but. just going by my own experience, plenty of my personal influences use gear that i loathe (side eyes robert smith’s pedalboard...).

    i can’t get the sounds i hear in my head from filtertrons, but that’s just me. you might love them.

    all that being said: you only getting hum using single coils by themselves; use two at a time and (unless your guitar is wired really, really strangely), and you’ve got a humbucker.
     
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  6. BorderRadio

    BorderRadio Country Gent

    Mar 6, 2014
    Phoenix, AZ
    It's gonna hum, and even more with a compressor and TS. In fact, if you get a Jet with Gretsch Dynas, the thing will likely squeal at high volumes too. In the later case, I'd seek out potted Dynas like T-Armonds.

    The hum is part of the single coil fun and nothing else can do what they do. It seems just about most humbucking pickups will 'compress' and generally 'smear' some of the string articulation, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing.

    I play both of course, but I'm especially fond of the DeArmond design :)
     
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  7. BorderRadio

    BorderRadio Country Gent

    Mar 6, 2014
    Phoenix, AZ
    Not sure what you mean here. The pickup and pole heights impact tone and response, but it will always buzz.
     
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  8. RomanS

    RomanS Gretschie

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    May 26, 2010
    Vienna, Austria
    Jerry Miller plays a pre-FMIC Rancher with Filtertrons 90% of the time (occasionally he brings out a Tele). One of my favorite contemporary guitar players, BTW...
    You can see the Filtertrons clearly on the cover of his solo album;
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    Even though I personally love Dynasonics, and never found a Filtertron-equipped guitar that worked for me - in your case, with the influences you mentioned, Filtertrons would definitely be what you want!
     
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  9. BorderRadio

    BorderRadio Country Gent

    Mar 6, 2014
    Phoenix, AZ
    Vintage DeArmond Model 2000s and Gretch Dynas are not RWRP, many older pickups weren't either. That's more common practice now, but not a guarantee.
     
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  10. Andrew6128

    Andrew6128 Electromatic

    36
    Oct 20, 2019
    Japan, Tokyo
    If you get a Vintage Select Jet with
    T-Armonds, 60 cycle hum is barely noticeable.

    tbh Vintage voiced Strat pickups have a much louder hum than Dyna types imo.
     
  11. BuddyHollywood

    BuddyHollywood Gretschie

    173
    Sep 11, 2009
    Venice, CA
    I just had the Gretsch Dynasonics rewound in my Duo Jet and as soon as I plugged it in and played my first chord the clouds just parted and the sun feels so warm and bright...

    My ultimate Gretsch guitar would theoretically be a the sound of a powerful Filtertron like a TV Jones Power'Tron in the bridge and a clear Dynasonic in the neck. I contacted TV Jones on their IM at their website about the compatibility of these 2 pickups together and the response I received basically stated that it would work but the neck T'Armond is still a bit more powerful than the Power'Tron bridge pickup. I told my pickup Jedi friend Sayoko Kuwabara that I wanted her to rewind my Gretsch Dynasonics from my Duo Jet so the bridge is fat, full and bold wound hot to almost humbucker range and the neck is clear and spanky like a Stratocaster inspired Dynasonic sound. She succeeded! Both pickups now balance perfectly. The newly rewound Dynasonics description I would use for the bridge pickup is the familiar "Tele on steroids" description and for the neck I would use "Strat on steroids".

    Anyway, I always loved the sound of the stock Gretsch Dynasonics. They didn't hum as much as P90s or Fender single coils and they are bigger and bolder sounding with bigger and bolder slug magnets which adds some Fender style attack to your sound. My problem with them was the balance between the bridge and neck. I found out both were wound at 7.75 K. Filtertrons on the other hand are constructed with bar magnets and pole screws. The attack is a smoother, rounder sound compared to Dynasonics. If you prefer the sharp Fender style attack I say go for the Dynasonics. If you prefer the warmer attack that Gibson humbuckers and P90s or even Gresch HiLotrons have I say go for the Filtertrons. I love both.
     
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  12. afire

    afire Country Gent

    Actually, it's a Roundup, not a Rancher (which is an acoustic).

    IMO, you can't go wrong with either. DeArmonds have a little more twang, while FilterTrons have a bright nasal honk that you can't get with anything else.

    But if Jerry Miller tone is what you're chasing, then I would go with FilterTrons.
     
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  13. Henry

    Henry I Bleed Orange

    Apr 9, 2014
    Petaluma
    I have a 6120JR2 modded with T Armond bridge and T90 neck, there is surprisingly little hum, nothing that bothers me. My electric pollution noise is worse.

    But . . . Those are single coil TVJ pickups, not the dynasonics themselves.
     
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  14. mister rain

    mister rain Gretschie

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    Apr 23, 2020
    new orleans
    huh. didn’t know that
     
  15. Back in Black

    Back in Black Gretschie

    218
    Jun 22, 2020
    Ontario Canada
    Hey BR,

    I don't have buzz on either of my Jets, the Pro Jet was modded by me, and has TVJ buffer pads under the pickups, the double jet is the way it came from Gretsch.

    The Pro Jet is pretty much solid, 2003/2004 model, originally came with Mini Hum Buckers, the Duo Jet, is chambered and other than bridge, trem arm bolt has not been touched...no buzz from either.

    Both run through VOX amps, AC30, Modded 60 Watt head/cab combo...no buzz...honest...no buzz.

    The P90's on my JL Casino don't buzz, nor do the pickups on any of my Rickenbackers, eight in total, including the pickup on my little 57 900.

    BIB.

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  16. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

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    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    Dynas were the start of the great Gretsch sound, Filters continued it. Just pick which era you're most fond of---or, get one of each. I don't have any issue with single coils---I prefer them. If there's too much buzz, you may just need better shielding in your guitar. The source of the buzz could be external, like neon or fluorescent lights, motors, HVAC, or house wiring.
     
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  17. YouFellowRebels

    YouFellowRebels Gretschie

    279
    Jun 17, 2020
    Minnesota
    Now that Ric I’d love to strum
     
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  18. Scott

    Scott Country Gent

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    56
    Jun 27, 2008
    Winston-Salem, NC
    I've used Dynas almost exclusively for over 20 years. Never had any issues with squealing or howling on a Jet
     
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  19. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    Gretsch dynasonics are single coils so they have significant humm when using medium to high gain.
    Like other single coils they don't humm much on clean tones or edge of break up.

    Some pickup companies make low noise single coils.
    I'm told the TV Jones T-Armonds are low noise dyna's but have never played them myself.
    But it's only a issue either way if you play with medium to high gain.

    I do...... so I steer clear of P-90s and standard single coils.
    I have noise cancelling Lace Sensor single coils in my Strat and I still use a noise gate pedal to eat their humm when playing medium to high gain :D

    One of the reasons I prefer filtertrons is that they are low noise humbuckers.
    They are also more versatile pups than dynasonics imo
     
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  20. TSims1

    TSims1 Gretschified

    Jun 18, 2013
    Atlanta
    If I could only have one Gretsch, it would have Filters.
     
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