Can't get within five feet of my amp

Discussion in 'Technical Side of Things' started by KennyC, Aug 31, 2020.

  1. Jelly Roll Horton

    Jelly Roll Horton Country Gent

    Nov 10, 2017
    Portland, OR
    Get way back up in the woods among the evergreens. Carry the guitar in a gunny sack, and sit beneath a tree by the railroad track. It should B. Goode.
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2020
    Stefan87, new6659 and lathoto like this.
  2. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

    Age:
    70
    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    Troubleshooting 101----ALWAYS check the cables and connectors first.

    If the guitar's physical position is the trigger, then a loose wire or connection is the likely culprit.
     
  3. lathoto

    lathoto Gretschie

    270
    Apr 23, 2020
    Ohio
    Go to the Record Plant in New York City. Dime the amp and play Voodoo Chile by Hendrix. It broke the curse for me on my 59 Goldtop. Funny thing, exact same resonant frequency.
     
  4. KennyC

    KennyC Electromatic

    39
    Aug 28, 2020
    Morristown, TN
    Given the above from my last post that even with the main breakers turned off (all power to my house killed) I still had the noise on my battery powered amp, still had the noise outside with my battery powered amp (but noise did go away when I put amp and guitar in my truck), plus considering the fact that the guitar was completely quite when I took it to the tech on three different amps and he even turned them up to an insane volume... I can only conclude that whatever is interfering with this guitar is environmental to my location. With that in mind I determined that unless I'm willing to invest more time/money in identifying the source, which by the way I may never find, I need to seek another avenue of resolution and that is what I've done. For the past couple days I have thoroughly reviewed noise suppressors online. I narrowed down my choice to either the EHX Hum Debugger or the ISP Decimator II. Some people said that while the Hum Debugger worked that it did introduce some artifacts into the sound. I was hard pressed to find anyone saying that the Decimator II introduced artifacts or changed the tone of their guitar. So yesterday evening I ordered the ISP Decimator II (the normal one, not the G) and I paid an extra $18 for overnight shipping that way if it worked I would have the entire weekend to play my Gretsch Country Gentleman. FedEx ran about 45 minutes ago and delivered my package. So...

    RESULTS: There is a smile on my face that I can't wipe off. Not knowing if the Decimator II was going to work for me, I plugged the guitar into it and the output into my Roland Blues Cube Artist. Flipped the amp on and listened to the noise that drives me crazy. Depressed the pedal on the Decimator II to activate it, slowly rotated the Threshold knob and when I got to about -29 the noise completely disappeared. How did my guitar sound now - WONDERFUL! I am so happy to be able to play this beautiful Gretsch and only have music to come out of the amp. Looks like I'm going to have a fantastic weekend! :)
     
  5. Runamok

    Runamok Gretschie

    460
    Aug 25, 2017
    USA midwest
    Great news. Good thread.
    May explain why using some amp settings on my lunchbox amp yields noise!

    I'm curious re: how this noise gate works. $130 on a battery powered practice amp. (The Artist doesn't go battery operated, does it?)
    A ferrite core toroid on the cable wouldn't have helped?
     
    KennyC likes this.
  6. KennyC

    KennyC Electromatic

    39
    Aug 28, 2020
    Morristown, TN
    Thanks. To be clear, I was only using the Crate Limousine (battery powered) for testing purposes because it allowed me to carry it around to various locations and also it let me turn off all the power to my house to eliminate something ac powered in my house being the source/causation . My primary amp is a Roland Blues Cube Artist. However, 90 percent of the time when I play I go through the Clarett 8Pre into Reaper and use Amplitube 4 with some clean set-ups that I worked really hard to get the way I want them. The offending noise was present in all my amps and the interface. Now that I have the noise resolved, I have sold the Fishman Loudbox Artist and the Vox AC15C1. I now only have the battery powered (which I never play through) and the Roland and a boat load of VSTs. I've also began the process of reducing my collection of guitars. I'm going to get it down to the Country Gentleman, The Fingerkicker (copy of Chet's Gibson/Kirk Sand Classical guitar that I built from scratch), and my Taylor 314CE. I've sold five of my guitars in the last week, so I'm getting there.
     
    Henry likes this.
  7. KennyC

    KennyC Electromatic

    39
    Aug 28, 2020
    Morristown, TN
    Noise problem SOLVED! While the Decimator II did remove the noise, I now know what the original cause was. Yesterday it was on the cool side here and it got down to 46 Monday night and 48 last night and today's high was only 67. Through the summer my neighbors use old, and I mean really old, fans in their windows. I had been wondering if this could have been the problem. I noticed today that they had removed the fans and shut the windows. So this evening I did not hook up the Decimator II and the Gretsch was as quite as it could be without it. It's good to know the cause, but even if I had found out what the cause was earlier, it would not have mattered. The neighbors are not approachable/friendly at all, so guess when spring rolls around I'll be back to using the Decimator again.
     
  8. Henry

    Henry I Bleed Orange

    Apr 9, 2014
    Petaluma
    Wow, interesting. Maybe put up a steel fence between your houses:p
     
    KennyC likes this.
  9. aFriendbFrosty

    aFriendbFrosty Electromatic

    98
    May 22, 2020
    West Coast
    That's funny.
    Just read an article about an old tv set that would consistently knock out the broadband for an entire village
    https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.p...roadband-disruption-traced-to-old-tv-set.html
     
    Hammerhands and KennyC like this.
  10. Stefan87

    Stefan87 Synchromatic

    935
    May 20, 2019
    Brisbane, Australia
    Cool, great to read you found the cause and that it wasn't anything to do with your gear.
     
    KennyC likes this.
  11. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

    Age:
    70
    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    Noise sources can be almost anything. We had TV issues long ago due to a fish tank heater. A CBer running an illegal 1 KW linear amplifier caused an entire neighborhood radio problems. Neon and fluorescent lights are often a noise source. In our theaters, we had isolation transformers for sound and video because the HVAC motors and stage light dimmers would cause tons of interference. SCR dimmers in homes are a constant source of issues. Nearby power lines are another culprit.

    Glad you found the cause. Now, the trouble is sorting out the causes' owner.
     
    KennyC likes this.
  12. KennyC

    KennyC Electromatic

    39
    Aug 28, 2020
    Morristown, TN
    Well not to bring "neighbor" problems to a guitar form, but there won't be any sorting out the causes' owner. Recently I had to consult with an attorney and pay $600 for a property survey when said neighbors put four truck loads of firewood, an outdoor shed, and a junk ridding lawn mower on my property. I asked them politely to move all the items and explained that it was my property they put it own. That went in one ear and out the other. I had to get a survey to prove it was my property before going to court and then give them written notice. They became belligerent, but in the end it turned out that they were renting to buy and the true owner had to be notified. He also objected, but when he saw the survey markers and the certified survey map and the certified letter that asked for attorney fees, court cost, plus $25 per day after an initial 15 day grace period, he/they changed their minds and all the items were removed over the next two days.
     
    19MGB76 likes this.
  13. Teledriver

    Teledriver Gretschie

    Age:
    52
    472
    Feb 12, 2011
    Iowa City, IA
    Ha! Long way to go but that was the way to do it. How far away is the house that their old fans caused an issue (meaning, what kind of range do the electrical interferences have)?
     
  14. 19MGB76

    19MGB76 Gretschie

    203
    Jul 31, 2018
    Minnesota
    Know anybody with the FCC? That noise causing isn't legal either.
     
    new6659 and wabash slim like this.
  15. KennyC

    KennyC Electromatic

    39
    Aug 28, 2020
    Morristown, TN
    I'm guessing that the windows in there house where the fans were located is about 23 to 25 feet from the side of my house.

    No, not any more. I used to work for the federal government as a media development specialist and knew many other agency employees, but that seems like a lifetime ago.
     
  16. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

    Age:
    70
    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    Sounds like the neighbors' electrical issues are the least of your issues with them. Code enforcement, health dept., city council, and other local gov't. entities might be of help. Stay aware of what they're doing---might be something illegal going on as well. Better safe than sorry.
     
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2020
    KennyC and lathoto like this.
IMPORTANT: Treat everyone here with respect, no matter how difficult!
No sex, drug, political, religion or hate discussion permitted here.