Broad-Trons and OD pedal grief

Waxhead

Friend of Fred
Aug 30, 2014
5,186
Australia
<muffled sound of head exploding>
Tubescreamer: Green mini. Gain at 3 o'clock, tone at 11. All other positions tested as well
EQ: First 3 low frequency sliders down 5db, all others flat.
Guitar controls: Middle selector; Tone at middle but all positions experimented with.
Guitar with P90s: Sublime Tomcat.

Amp: "Does it actually sound close to a real Fender Bassman - you'd be in no position to know." Fender rep at music store put it through its paces and declared that my amp ran rings around Fender's reissue. That's all I know. "Clear" meant no hint of coloring. Not my original description. Others have said it.

Booster: TC Electronics Spark. Boost at 10pm.

"And could have told you the Behringer EQ pedal was a noisy dud. And you didn't need it if the EQ controls on your amp were working correctly." You didn't ask and I didn't contact you before buying it.
No EQ on the amp per se other than the treb/mid/and bass controls. Presence at minimum. Using Normal input. No difference with the Bright input.

A lot of this is moot as the EQ is winging its way back to Sweetwater.
And do I dare mention that the MXR Dyna Comp compressor is ahead of the booster and OD? I didn't always have this pedal, though.

Underwear: Red briefs.

You must be a lawyer (solicitor). I'm a retired software engineer. I guess I would have asked all the Spanish Inquisition-like questions as well. And my answers will still not be sufficient, I believe. Oh, well...

No not a lawyer - and no Spanish Inquisition either - was just trying to help you and it can't be done unless you give adequate info. Good luck :D
 

CBHScott

Gretschie
Feb 13, 2015
102
Central OH
I have had a couple of Streamliners pass through my hands over the last couple of years, and I gotta say that the BT pickups in those may be the weak link. While they are not bad clean, IMO they tend to get muddy as dirt is added in the chain. I couldn’t get a real satisfactory crunch tone out of them. The P90 in the neck of the G2215 I had, however, was a different story.
 

Ricochet

Senior Gretsch-Talker
Nov 13, 2009
21,878
Monkey Island
If you want that Boston sound, find yourself one of those Rockman half-space rack units with the chorus/overdrive.

True but spendy. What did Tom Schulz do before the Rockman?
In it’s base form it’s basically a Marshall with plenty of gain, a Chorus and Delay, and sometimes a cocked wah.
 

loudnlousy

Gretschified
Oct 18, 2015
12,349
Germany
With a Bassman you should be able to get a really great overdrive without any pedal. Just turn it up.
Bassman amps are famous for their grind and fat overdrive.
If it is too loud you could check out a power attenuator.
 

SAguitar

Country Gent
Jan 17, 2020
1,181
Jack Plate, Oregon
Obviously, it's the red briefs and the Tube Screamer that are the problem. With that combo, you can only play Christmas songs!
And don't worry about wise spending on overdrives, it is an addiction with no cure. I probably have 15-20 ODs and rotate them in and out of the batting order at will. But the Blues Driver and OCD are often in play. Oh, and I stack them. My typical floorboard has 4 overdrives and I sometimes use all 4 at simultaneously.
 

BuddyHollywood

Gretschie
Sep 11, 2009
489
Venice, CA
Everyone is going to laugh but The Boss Metal Zone will also work for what you're going for. If you are subtle with the adjustments it really delivers a warm and fat overdrive. Yes you can push it into 1980s metal distortion too but there is a lot of room for adjustments on this pedal. I used to use it all of the time when all I had was a Fender Frontman amp. The Boss Metal Zone - "the stone the builders rejected..."
 

lmolter54

Electromatic
Dec 28, 2021
39
Tampa, FL
With a Bassman you should be able to get a really great overdrive without any pedal. Just turn it up.
Bassman amps are famous for their grind and fat overdrive.
If it is too loud you could check out a power attenuator.

In a small room, at volume it would give me an ear bleed. I'd need a 2 ohm attenuator -- 4 10's in parallel.
 

lmolter54

Electromatic
Dec 28, 2021
39
Tampa, FL
Obviously, it's the red briefs and the Tube Screamer that are the problem. With that combo, you can only play Christmas songs!
And don't worry about wise spending on overdrives, it is an addiction with no cure. I probably have 15-20 ODs and rotate them in and out of the batting order at will. But the Blues Driver and OCD are often in play. Oh, and I stack them. My typical floorboard has 4 overdrives and I sometimes use all 4 at simultaneously.
Yes, I can see the addiction. Eventually I will get something I like. Trick is not not let the wife know I'm spending our retirement savings on OD pedals. She already noticed my minimal board and asked about each one. Well see... Oh, I rotate the briefs color regularly. :rolleyes:
 

lmolter54

Electromatic
Dec 28, 2021
39
Tampa, FL
Everyone is going to laugh but The Boss Metal Zone will also work for what you're going for. If you are subtle with the adjustments it really delivers a warm and fat overdrive. Yes you can push it into 1980s metal distortion too but there is a lot of room for adjustments on this pedal. I used to use it all of the time when all I had was a Fender Frontman amp. The Boss Metal Zone - "the stone the builders rejected..."
Not laughing because I don't know enough about this stuff to have an opinion (yet).
 

scrimmer

Gretschie
Apr 6, 2019
198
North Carolina
I have pretty good success getting close to the tones of which I think you're shooting for out of my BT equipped G2627T with one of the original first editions of a Snouse Electric BlackBox OD with it being followed by a little extra saturation from a Strymon Deco into my '65 Princeton Reissue with the volume on the amp up past 6 in the sweet spot. On its own it definitely gives a nice good girth to the bottom end and rounds out the tone w/ plenty of definition. I haven't met a guitar or amp yet that didn't like this pedal!
It's a nice Marshall Bluesbreaker clone. I've had mine about 10 yrs now maybe without a single hiccup and am very happy with it still. They can be found used for under $100
Not sure what the newer ones are like however, but they consistently get rave reviews.

EDIT: WOW! Was I ever wrong about the used prices on the BlackBox OD these days. I was just going off the top of my head on my statement above and last time I remembered looking; they COULD be had for around $85 USD at one time not that long ago. Don't see any of the originals like mine anywhere for sale but lots of newer ones out there and - MY BAD - these damn things are going for around $350 USD these days apparently! Geez! Sorry.
 
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Philtertronic

Gretschie
Feb 26, 2014
332
scotland
If you can't get a good tone out of a Bassman and an overdrive, I'd be looking at that guitar with a raised eyebrow. FWIW, the BTBTs are the reason I'm not immediately going ahead with a G5622T purchase.
 

stevo

Friend of Fred
May 1, 2012
7,072
Atlanta
A lot of overdrives will be tinny because a lot of them are meant to cut through the mix. I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for and I don't know those pickups well, but I'll say that if you want more low end in your overdriven tone, a Klone or Nobels type will have the low end you want. If you want scream and growl, tubescreamers are good for that. So that's three very different designs. And I also think you could do well with an Atomic Brain because it has low end control.

One place you can go who makes great pedals for a reasonable price is DCW. He has a good variety of designs that faithfully reproduce the original tone.

And as you have found out, every overdrive isn't doing the same thing. So this video might be useful for you. It certainly can help you avoid buying pedals that are of the same type:



Cheers and good hunting!
 

scrimmer

Gretschie
Apr 6, 2019
198
North Carolina
OP, you said you needed to stop buying them, but have you considered maybe one of the Nobels ODR-1 mini pedals? Although unfortunately I let it move on (regretted it) I had one of the full-sized ones and it’s a very good OD with the ‘spectrum’ adjustment making it easy to dial in a workable tone with a variety of pickups. The minis have a good reputation and are $80 on Amazon and elsewhere. For that price, I’d take a hard look at one of these. Just my extra 2 cents. Good luck on the search.
 

lmolter54

Electromatic
Dec 28, 2021
39
Tampa, FL
And as you have found out, every overdrive isn't doing the same thing. So this video might be useful for you. It certainly can help you avoid buying pedals that are of the same type:
Excellent video. Thanks. Cleared some mysteries up for me.
 

scrimmer

Gretschie
Apr 6, 2019
198
North Carolina
Sorry to interject off topic here; but Imolter54, I see you're listed as in Tampa. We LOVE the whole St. Pete/Clearwater/Tampa area and back in April, we bought a condo over in Dunedin, just a short walk from the water, not too far from the causeway over to Honeymoon Island. It's our little getaway vacation spot for now, eventually will probably retire there in the not too distant future. That whole area is beautiful and the winter weather there is stellar!
We were actually planning on coming down there this weekend and staying for the week, but we had something come up and won't have a chance again to get there again until probably April. Snow and/or ice is predicted here in NC this weekend.
Bummer. I hate snow and ice.
 

lmolter54

Electromatic
Dec 28, 2021
39
Tampa, FL
Sorry to interject off topic here; but Imolter54, I see you're listed as in Tampa. We LOVE the whole St. Pete/Clearwater/Tampa area and back in April, we bought a condo over in Dunedin, just a short walk from the water, not too far from the causeway over to Honeymoon Island. It's our little getaway vacation spot for now, eventually will probably retire there in the not too distant future. That whole area is beautiful and the winter weather there is stellar!
We were actually planning on coming down there this weekend and staying for the week, but we had something come up and won't have a chance again to get there again until probably April. Snow and/or ice is predicted here in NC this weekend.
Bummer. I hate snow and ice.
Yes, it's very nice over there. Once in a while we venture out towards the Gulf. Haven't been out that way for a couple of months now, but it is lovely there. Dunedin is such a nice little town with all the shops and restaurants and the trail. Yup, we live for this time of the year. Sometimes I do miss the snow, but I forget that we hated to shovel it and drive in it. From NJ originally.
 


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