Bring Back the DeArmond 2000s

Discussion in 'Electromatic Gretsch Forum' started by Anni_Lover, Aug 15, 2021.

  1. Anni_Lover

    Anni_Lover Synchromatic

    805
    Jul 17, 2009
    New Zealand
    Many years ago, Gretsch offered a range of Electromatics fitted with the DeArmond 2000 pickups and an aluminium bridge. They became known as the G512x series, the last number denoting the finish of each particular model. The were basically a more affordable version of what was then the G6120DSW or now, the G6120T-55 or soon the be released G6120TG-DS. For those who have never seen or heard one, here's really great demo of a G5129:

    Gretsch G5129 Demo:



    However, the models with the DeArmond 2000 pickups were discontinued many year ago, only to be surpassed by both Guild and Godin. The models form those companies are in the same price range as the current Electromatics. The Guild is also made in Korea by Samick, while the Godin is made in Canada. Here are two demos featuring those guitars as a comparison to the old G5129:

    Godin 5th Avenue Uptown T-Armond Demo:



    Guild X-175 Manhattan Special Demo:



    That Godin has the TV Jones T-Armond pickups and also comes with a case as does the Guild. If comtetitors can buold guitars that, in reality, rival the G6120T-55 for around half the price, why not bring back a new reincarnation of the old G512x series in the Electromatic range?
     
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  2. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    I support this message.

    I've really enjoyed the 2000s in my Special Jet as well as the new DeArmonds in my X-175 Manhattan Special (although it did cost more than any Electromatic I've been aware of, they use the same pickups in several models that are squarely in the Electro price range).

    I think those new DeArmonds in the X-175 are the closest I've tried to the original Dyna in my vintage Streamliner.
     
  3. wabash slim

    wabash slim I Bleed Orange

    Age:
    72
    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    Love those pickups! Have 'em on my 3140 Historic. I have a 1st gen Pro Jet that would've been far better with these than with the anemic minihums. They may be "poor man's Dynas" but they suit me just fine. Single coils rule!
     
  4. Marv666

    Marv666 Gretschie

    360
    Jul 26, 2020
    Germany
    The Old Electromatics with De Armonds were too good for the price!
    I got mine used 2 years ago and think it´s better than the current electromatics
     
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  5. Randy99CL

    Randy99CL Country Gent

    Feb 17, 2020
    Albuquerque
  6. montereyjack66

    montereyjack66 Country Gent

    Feb 29, 2012
    LA-ish
    I've got 'em on a Dearmond Starfire, and also on an M75 while it was still alive. Just FAB!
     
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  7. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
    Admin Post
    When I played a number of Gretsch guitars, back in the mid 2000s, the 5129 stood out as having one of the best sounds of any Gretsch I tested.
     
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  8. MichaelRopp

    MichaelRopp Electromatic

    90
    Jan 20, 2021
    Albuquerque
    Anni_lover, thanks. Well-researched and well-stated, and those tones... man. Very nice. One thing that did stand out to me is that in the demos you shared the Godin seemed really noisy. The other two both had backing tracks and might have been masking some of that "hum", so it might not be a fair comparison.
     
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  9. Anni_Lover

    Anni_Lover Synchromatic

    805
    Jul 17, 2009
    New Zealand
    This might be a better demo video for the Godin:



    The point I'm trying to make is that I someone wants a brand new hollowbody guitar fitted with either DeArmonds or Dynasonics, but can't afford a Professional Series guitar, then the only option is purchase one of these guitars from competitors of Gretsch/FMIC as there's nothing comparable in the current lineup.

    Because the G512x models existed previously, it wouldn't be hard to simply add DeArmond 2000 pickups to the current G5420T series. The black pickguards are already available with the Gretsch Electromatic logo on the G5622 with the Bristol Fog finish. The old lineup could be reintroduced. The only finish changes would be to the tops. For example the blue for the G5127 could be changed to Midnight Saphire, Fairlane Blue or Jade Grey Metallic. The G5128 could have the Casino Gold top and the G5126 an Airline Silver top. There are a whole lot of new finishes introduced since they were discontinued as well. To keep production costs reasonable, using a Laurel fingerboard and bridge base might help.
     
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  10. MichaelRopp

    MichaelRopp Electromatic

    90
    Jan 20, 2021
    Albuquerque
    @Anni_Lover : thanks for sharing that video. I love the joy on their faces.

    I do get your point, and it seems entirely reasonable to me. I hope someone who can make this decision is reading your posts.
     
  11. mister rain

    mister rain Gretschie

    459
    Apr 23, 2020
    new orleans
    if it wasn’t for the scale length i’d still be gassing for a 5125.
     
  12. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
    Admin Post
    I wouldn’t hold my breath. My suggestion would be a 54xx and some. T’Armonds. .
     
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  13. swivel

    swivel Country Gent

    May 13, 2018
    PNW
    Man that Guild Manhatten rocks!
     
  14. Ricochet

    Ricochet Senior Gretsch-Talker

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    I’m all for it but I wonder if they were very popular outside Gretschtalk. :oops:
     
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  15. CaliforniaSlim

    CaliforniaSlim Gretschie

    358
    Jul 21, 2016
    94597
    I love those DeArmond 2000s. Just last night, I pulled out my 5127 which had been sitting for too long- I was again struck at how clear the tone of those pickups are.
     
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  16. Henry

    Henry I Bleed Orange

    Apr 9, 2014
    Petaluma
    Before 2020 I think there were 2 production Gretsch that had P90s, both prolines, Eddie Cochrane and the red and white number a few years ago.

    Now the have several elecromatics with P90s, which are the first single coil non prolines since the storied 512X series.

    I can see Gretsch bringing more single coils to the non prolines, and T/P90s to prolines as well.
     
  17. Randy99CL

    Randy99CL Country Gent

    Feb 17, 2020
    Albuquerque
    Just to add to the information pool here: in 2019 (and earlier) Gretsch offered the G2622T-P90 in Candy Apple Red on the website and a couple of LE colors only at GC/MF. Center Block :: G2622TG-P90 Limited Edition Streamliner™ Center Block P90 with Bigsby® and Gold Hardware, Laurel Fingerboard, Candy Apple Red (gretschguitars.com)
    And new this year is a number of P-90 guitars in the Streamliner series.

    I love the CA Red, that thing is beautiful with the gold hardware, but bought mine in Phantom Metallic when it was a SDOTD at MF.
    Gretsch G2622 P-90 $599 2.jpg
     
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  18. Brian Krashpad

    Brian Krashpad Gretschie

    192
    Dec 29, 2020
    GNV FLA USA
    ^Ditto re the Special Jet! More than a bit of the proverbial red-headed stepchild in the the Gretsch line, from my vague understanding, but a great slightly non-traditional oddball, especially for someone like me who likes simple workhorse guitars and slab-bodied Specials. I definitely bought mine as an experiment in getting "Dynas on the cheap." Though I have no experience with real-deal Dynas, I'm happy with their performance, definitely another color in the tone palette.

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  19. Durbanator

    Durbanator Electromatic

    17
    Aug 16, 2016
    UK
    [QUOTE=" the only option is purchase one of these guitars from competitors of Gretsch/FMIC as there's nothing comparable in the current lineup.
    [/QUOTE]
    True if you are determined to buy new but you can find "as new" examples of the 512x series out there. I have recently seen top condition instruments in black, red and Fairlane blue. I was tempted with the blue one myself but already have a 5124 in white. Cost will be £400 -£550 tops.
     
  20. kpnash

    kpnash Electromatic

    Here's the headstock of my 5127. Loving it, I still miss some bass in the response of the pickups.

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