Boomer Bends

Discussion in 'Fred's Barcalounge' started by Sabato, Nov 18, 2021.

  1. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
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    The problem is, communication is vital. I work on technical projects and communications are the challenge.

    I definitely agree that the Internet is Junior High School. Junior High was fine, back when I was a kid, but I don’t want that mentality dominating serious matters and the Internet has the ability to do just that.

    English was my least favorite subject in school, and the subject in which I performed the worst. Part of this, in fact a great deal of this, was because I already read well, had a good vocabulary and was good at communicating. Frankly, I couldn’t see the point of these English classes. Unfortunately, my handwriting has always been poor, so the combination of those two factors made my performance in English classes poor.

    When the Internet came along, and I was writing, I decided to brush up on punctuation. What I discovered was that the “rules” of punctuation were somewhat nebulous and that punctuation actually originated with printers, whom employed symbols to convey the rhythm of speech, including pauses, etc. Thereafter, I’ve done my best and hope that it works.

    The colon/close parentheses emoticon indicating that the prior statement was meant humorously makes sense to me. We’ve actually had problems at the forum where members have made statements which seemed offensive, but were meant satirically. Had they used that one symbol, a lot of difficulty could have been avoided. The proliferation of “emojis”, and I loathe that cutesy term, has not served to clear the waters. I can see the colon/close parentheses as indicating humor, and can understand the colon/open parentheses as indicating sadness (or disappointment), but I don’t use that one myself. However, I don’t need an emoji to indicate every possible emotional state. (Let’s see, what’s the emoji to express how I feel when my neighbor is surly because they got a parking ticket?)

    Frankly; Junior High was a long time ago and as an adult, I am now more than capable of finding the words required to express myself in writing. I can understand that during youth, there exists the problem of limited vocabulary inhibiting self expression, but it’s possible to outgrow this situation. I developed my vocabulary by reading and expanding my horizons. It’s a practice I recommend highly.

    If my neighbor was surly because of having received a parking ticket, there would be no emoticon to express my feelings, because I would see this as just one more transient situation in life and would have no emotional response. What I find more troubling is the fact that since the advent of the Internet and the use of it for new forms of communication, it would seem that every experience in life is now bantered about publicly. There are a number of serious matters occurring in my life as I write this, but you will not be reading about them, because there’s no reason to involve others and plenty of reason to keep these matters private, until they are resolved.

    It’s time for the Internet to leave behind the Junior High mentality and enter the brave new world of adulthood.
     
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  2. Ninja Tones, then.

    This topic was meant to be an object of digression.
     
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  3. Sorry you have some serious matters going on.

    There are other, more bizarre forms of punctuation which have not caught on. Not every forum display the characters the same way, doesn’t work in every font, or using every iOS.

    Its not as simple as the famous Egyptian hieroglyph:
    a cartouche depicting the pharaoh being hit with a cream pie. They embalmed that cartoonist.
     
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  4. TV the Wired Turtle

    TV the Wired Turtle Gretschified

    Jul 25, 2009
    Sandy Eggo
    in california we get miffed if you dont use "the" before a freeway number. " bro take The 405 "

    ps. technically youre in California too, even though youre north of Ventura. :) :)
     
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  5. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
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    Thanks.

    As regards emoticons, I’m not completely against the notion, but I suspect that there are people out there that take these things way too seriously. For me, it’s a signal to replace the absence of body language and tone of voice when we communicate online. I strive to frame my words carefully, so as to reduce the chance of inadvertently offending someone or coming off as either angry or harsh when I’m not feeling that way, at all. Such things happen all the time, and a lot of reported posts come down to a failure to accurately communicate intent.

    If you ever find that hieroglyph, I’d love to see it. :)
     
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  6. Waxing philosophic.
    Reality & experience says there will always be someone who takes offense at anything you say, no matter how you couch any statement, now matter how innocuous. Amplified in the pretend world of the internet. Everybody gets to be the ruler of an island, in the fictitious diorama in their head.

    The alternative is to beg forgiveness in advance, for every statement, explain even every joke in excruciating detail afterward. Sometimes BEFORE you joke, to be sure your audience is forewarned, in case they disagree with the hypothetical point being made. It destroys the very concept & value of a joke. Irreverence is a component.

    That is not to deny some jokes are objectionable & designed to be destructive. I could cite one that comes to mind in the news recently, but would violate topic rules.

    aside: fwiw, closer to home: I avoid a lot of jokes I could make on here (irrespective of quality). I massage the ones I do, to make sure they don’t abuse anyone, dilute them even. But I won’t circle them & surround the with arrows pointing to the joke part.

    Anyway, the failure to have a common frame of reference, especially in written word limitations is a problem. (btw, part of my my new signature joke. If you’ve tried to read the self-referential hot mess known as Finnegan’s Wake).

    You said you are careful & purposeful in your writing.
    Reality is that not everyone has your attention to detail in the reading of what you wrote.

    Cartouche Comedy never caught on.
    Everybody thinks those were royal attendants buried with the pharaoh, his terracotta butler army. They were the cartoonists.
     
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  7. Sabato

    Sabato Country Gent

    Mar 22, 2019
    Massachusetts
    To Infinity:
     
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  8. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
    Admin Post
    I take offense at everything you just said. :)

    Of course I don’t, not so much as one syllable is offensive, and I think you well illustrate the point. The Internet is a pretend world, and like any pretend world, it’s not rooted in any reality.

    I work with Internet communications, daily, and the infrastructure of the Internet is anything but make believe. It’s a world which demands precision and forethought. The consumer product that we all utilize is rooted in this technical world, but the applications we use as Internet consumers are very much a consumer product. Like most consumer products, image is very important.

    The biggest misconception is that the Internet is somehow anonymous. It isn’t. But when people think that they have a veil of anonymity, their behavior may change and that is where the problem lies.

    I would estimate that roughly once a month, a new member will join, guns-a-blazin’ and ready to raise some hell. Probably 90-95% of these members are gone within a few weeks. As soon as they realize that they’re are rules, they either leave in anger or go on the offensive and end up being banned, but the point here is that such people buy in to the notion that they are somehow anonymous on the Internet.

    I live near a small town, and until a few years ago, there was a great restaurant in town where you could get a good meal and touch base with the regulars. There were definable groups which met there, the guys from the auto repair and towing businesses in town, realtors and business owners, members of a non-denominational church, etc. We all got along, in great part because we knew that we would see these same people day in and day out.

    To my way of thinking, this is how the Internet can really serve as a tool to bring people together. We have our common meeting place, the forum serving the same role as a restaurant building. We have our definable groups, the Rockabilly guys, the Chet Guys, the Country guys and the Metal guys, but we interact with one another in a positive way, day in and day out, and I believe that a great deal of that comes down to accountability. Just like living in a small town, life is a lot better when we respect our neighbors, even if we disagree on some things.
     
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  9. MrWookiee

    MrWookiee Synchromatic

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    Jun 17, 2020
    SoCal, USA
    I can't find the quote any longer but I once read one that said something like, "We find ourselves longing for the time when the internet was a place of information and hope, and not so full of hate and pornography".
     
  10. Maybe the issue is that people believe it is the
    Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy & speaking to them only like a burning bush.

    Its the sam thing.
     
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  11. Sabato

    Sabato Country Gent

    Mar 22, 2019
    Massachusetts
    Same sort of assumed anonymity exists online and on the road. They wouldn't say that or make that gesture if they were standing next to me.
     
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  12. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
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    You can say that again. Just yesterday, I searched for something quite innocuous and the results were peppered with porn sites.
     
  13. Sabato

    Sabato Country Gent

    Mar 22, 2019
    Massachusetts
    Yeah, always struck me as strange, but hey, we use the old term "Turnpike"; even people around here don't know what that means. Turnpike (literally a pike that will turn when you pay)
    In some locales they drive on the parkway and park in the driveway. In Maine they park in the "Dooryard"...
     
  14. MrWookiee

    MrWookiee Synchromatic

    988
    Jun 17, 2020
    SoCal, USA
    "Take the 405" in your example is an abbreviation for "Take the 405 freeway". It doesn't make much sense to me either, though I catch myself doing it from time to time. I prefer the expression "Take 405 to 5" - like saying "Take Main to 1st (Street)"- although I avoid actually taking 405 (and 5) whenever practical.
     
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  15. Sabato

    Sabato Country Gent

    Mar 22, 2019
    Massachusetts
    Also, at least in New England, we say "route" like root, not like rowt. We have confusing Interstate names, although 95 is up & down the coast, in Mass we can take 295 to 95... 93 South and 95 North are the same stretch of road, I could go on.
    "Turn left? Right." - Abbot & Costello
     
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  16. tmcq65

    tmcq65 Electromatic

    17
    Nov 10, 2021
    Pennsylvania
    I know I might be coming late to the party - but I have finally read the posted article after being put-off by my perception of what the topic was. After reading the article and all the subsequent posts I can say that I THINK the author missed the point of the backlash. I'm technically not a "boomer" coming just after that generation...and in most situations I find myself opposed to whatever characteristic or behavior is attributed to my slightly older fellow citizens. But the use of the term "boomer" by teens and twenty-somethings now is always derogatory and condescending so how can one slip in a comment about "boomer bends" without coming off as criticizing an entire genre of music. Dude, play what you want....whatever style, whatever technique....maybe I'll like it, maybe not - but save the sarcasm and condescension until your the undisputed king of guitar (ie. never). It's rich that a generation that considers being called by pronouns they don't prefer a "violence" done upon them, is fine throwing shade on others in such a disrespectful way. I'd be willing to bet people will still be listening to and emulating Zeppelin, Hendrix, and SRV long after they've forgotten who this brat is.
     
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  17. NJDevil

    NJDevil Country Gent

    Age:
    48
    Jul 9, 2014
    Commack, NY
    Well said and agree 100%!!!
     
  18. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
    Admin Post
    Well stated, and I could not agree more about the last sentence.
     
  19. stevo

    stevo Friend of Fred

    May 1, 2012
    Atlanta
    Wow, this thread has had more life than I expected!
     
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