A Humbucker for that Tele Bridge Sound?

Discussion in 'Streamliner Gretsch Forum' started by DougWheeler74, Dec 3, 2020.

  1. DougWheeler74

    DougWheeler74 Gretschie

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    Jul 10, 2019
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    I have a G2622 Streamliner with a single coil pickup for the neck which I like. However, the Broad’Tron for the bridge pickup leaves me without enthusiasm. I traded my MIM Tele to get the Gretsch. No regrets there but I do miss the Tele from time to time. I play in the neck position almost exclusively but was wondering, is there a humbucker I could put in the bridge position that would get close to a Tele bridge pickup sound? I do realize that they are different beasts, but what if?
     
  2. Stratiner

    Stratiner Electromatic

    Just a guess - P 90? Not exactly, but a starter idea. And possibly depends on the aesthetic you will accept.
     
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  3. Randy99CL

    Randy99CL Synchromatic

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    Feb 17, 2020
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    I think it's impossible to guess how close to the Tele bridge PU sound you can get. It's likely that sound is a combination of the pickup and the bridge plate influence.

    Easy possibilities are some single-coil that fits the HB mount, like the GFS P-90.
    Or some HB wired for coil split.
    Or fabricate some way to mount a single coil pickup.
     
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  4. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

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    You need a single coil to get a single coil sound.
     
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  5. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
    Florida
    I don’t know how true it is but that’s what I’ve read about the combination together. Part of what gives the Tele bridge its sound is because it’s mounted to the bridge plate,
     
  6. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    Hi Doug

    Are you wanting a humbucker bridge up that sounds like a single coil Tele pup?
    If so, I think it'll be difficult to find one.

    Most people (like me) go for humbuckers specifically because they're different to single coils.
    If I want single coil tone (and noisy humm) I'll use single coils :)

    I swapped in the Seymour Duncan Hot Rodded humbucker set into my Tele Deluxe.
    The bridge pup is a JB (SH-4) humbucker - a great one.

    It retains the bite and sparkle of a Tele single coil bridge tone but is much better than any single coil imo.
    I can also split coil these SD humbuckers for standard Tele single coil tones.

    What value pots are in your Streamliner?
    Single coils perform best with 250k.
    Humbuckers need 500k.

    If you're not happy with your Broadtron bridge pup it could be because there's 250k pots in your guitar - they will make the humbucker overly dark sounding
     
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  7. Mr. Lumbergh

    Mr. Lumbergh Country Gent

    May 14, 2013
    Initech, Inc.
    I have a Classic at the bridge of my Cabronita Tele and it still sounds like a Tele to me. The only thing I'm missing is that bell-like tone you get with the traditional Tele B+N combo (think Muddy Waters "You Can't Lose What You Ain't Never Had") because the other pickup is also a Classic.
    That's OK, I have another Tele with the proper goods for that.
     
  8. Henry

    Henry I Bleed Orange

    Apr 9, 2014
    Petaluma
    I'd look for someone who can make you a tele pickup in humbuckwr amount. I know next to nothing about how pickups are built but I believe the tele bridge has some additional plate underneath.
     
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  9. calebaaron666

    calebaaron666 Friend of Fred

    Aug 15, 2018
    Portland, Maine
    I’d add a TV Jones Classic Filtertron.
    Won’t sound exactly like a tele bridge pickup, but it’ll sound awesome.
    Bright and twangy.
     
  10. RG7X

    RG7X Synchromatic

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    Nov 11, 2018
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    I don't know if that's true either but recently came across an interesting video on an early 60's "strato-tele" that suggests otherwise. Start at 6:45

     
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  11. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck I Bleed Orange

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    I have the Seymour Duncan Jazz/JB combo in my Klein Blue GFS Tele and it sounds great and still sounds like a Tele.
     
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  12. RomanS

    RomanS Gretschie

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    May 26, 2010
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    On Reverb and Amazon you can find adapter plates that allow you to mount a real Tele bridge pickup in a humbucker route. Several "boutique" makers also make alnico pole magnet single coils in humbucker shells; and if you want to keep the humbucking effect - how about a Fralin Twangmaster (no personal experience)? And last but not least a TV Jones T-Armond (which can be found in a HB-mount version) should also come reasonably close to a Tele tone...
     
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  13. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

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    I had a very cheap POS import guitar from the '60s that was visually very Gretsch like. It had what looked like Gibson style buckers that were in reality single coils with an empty spot where the second coil would/should have been. Your best bet might be a split coil humbucker where you can switch one of the coils off or do a series/parallel switching scheme with them.
     
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  14. Randy99CL

    Randy99CL Synchromatic

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    The Tele bridge pickup is a weird bird. With the steel mounting plate underneath and the bridge plate above, the magnetic lines of flux must be distorted (compared to others).

    I've seen reviews that got me interested in the Seymore Duncan P-Rails HB pickups. Three tone options: HB, P-90 or single-coil all in one pickup.
    Seymour Duncan P Rail | Seymour Duncan

    And I got a fantastic G&L ASAT Classic when it was a SDOTD at MF for $299. I like it more than the Classic Vibe and think it's very close to the quality of my MIM Strat, IOW excellent.
    Instead of trying to mod a totally different guitar to sound like a Tele, just buy a good Tele clone.
    ASAT Main A.JPG
    Edit: there are many here who agree: you need to own a Tele, or three! There is no substitute. LOL sometimes I think this should be named the Gretsch/Telecaster forum.
     
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  15. dr. love

    dr. love Gretschie

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    Magnetron maybe?
     
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  16. dak55

    dak55 Country Gent

    May 31, 2018
    Central Florida
    +1 on the single coil. Check with TVJ and see if you can get their T-Armond in the Broadtron rout.
     
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  17. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

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    As it's been said many times before---Leo got it right the first time.
     
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  18. jml77

    jml77 Electromatic

    I would go for a classic filtertron, keep the gretsch vibe, twangy clear and very different to the broadtrons that are stock in the 2622.
     
  19. TSims1

    TSims1 Gretschified

    Jun 18, 2013
    Atlanta

    This is what I would do.


    Or this:

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  20. loudnlousy

    loudnlousy Gretschified

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    Oct 18, 2015
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    I have british Gordon Smith humbuckers in three of my guitars.
    They are splittable and I find the split position on the bridge pu to sound very much like a Tele. Super-twangy.
    The humbucker itself is mid-output and tonally in the PAF field.
     
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