Why is it a "Tennesse Rose" and not a Tennessean?

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  1. Paul in Colorado

    Paul in Colorado Gretschie

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    Jun 2, 2008
    Fort Collins, CO
    Why are the reissues called a Tennessee Rose and not a Tennessean? I've never seen an explanation.
     
  2. mbkri

    mbkri Synchromatic

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    Sep 22, 2012
    Chicago
    Is it not the colour? Tennesseans being brown walnut(?) and the Rose is red. Thats my assumption. I look forward to learning the answer
     
  3. audept

    audept Senior Gretsch-Talker

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    Dec 1, 2010
    Sydney, Australia
    I think it may have been a copyright problem. The best person to answer this would be @tartanphantom
     
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  4. section2

    section2 Synchromatic

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    Dec 21, 2016
    Toronto
    From what I've read, Chet Atkins took the "Tennessean" name with him when he left Gretsch for Gibson. Although the Atkins family eventually renewed their relationship with Gretsch, Gibson still has the rights to the "Tennessean" name.

    Bear in mind that I read this on the internet, so take it with a barrel of salt.
     
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  5. Dostegrar

    Dostegrar Country Gent

    Nov 5, 2013
    Delta,b.c.
    I read THIS on the internet so it must be true.
     
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  6. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck Gretschified

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    That is the truth.
     
  7. rcboals

    rcboals Country Gent

    Nov 21, 2008
    Springfield Oregon
    A Rose by any other name is still a rose. Here is mine
     

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  8. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck Gretschified

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    The Gretsch Atkins models all had different names until 2007 or so.

    The Country Gentleman was the Country Classic.
     
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  9. section2

    section2 Synchromatic

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    Dec 21, 2016
    Toronto
    The part about the name, or the part about the barrel of salt?
     
  10. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck Gretschified

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    The name, but it's wise to take many things on the inter web with a barrel of salt.
     
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  11. MikeSchindler

    MikeSchindler Synchromatic

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    Feb 3, 2014
    Pennsylvania
    Gibson also had Country Gentleman name too .. now Gretsch has it back.. so what is the issue with the Tennessean name I have no clue.. Gibson doesn't even use it if they still have rights to the name.. why not sell it back to Gretsch? Is Gretsch even interested? Maybe they didn't even ask. How did Gretsch get Country Gent name and not Tennessean?
     
  12. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck Gretschified

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    That's been my question too. I wonder if Chet was adamant about keeping the CG name as that was one of his songs and it was designed to be his perfect guitar. Tennessee Rose fits a red guitar though, so maybe Gretsch didn't care.
     
  13. DaddyDog

    DaddyDog Country Gent

    Sep 18, 2011
    Mississauga, Canada
    Confusing eh. And fascinating. For another fun story, look up 'Gretsch Broadkaster' and 'Fender Broadcaster', aka the original name for the Telecaster.
     
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  14. Otisorange

    Otisorange Electromatic

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    Mar 20, 2015
    Buxton
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    This is my ‘62 Tennessean. Chet did take the name to Gibson. The colour of mine is purely down to sun bleaching and ageing. Under the pick guard and bridge base the colour is burgundy.
     
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  15. emitex

    emitex Synchromatic

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    Aug 21, 2014
    NYC
    I pretty much remember reading it was a legal thing when Chet left Gretsch for Gibson. I think this is a similar scenario with the 6120/Nashville naming by Gretsch. Never heard anything about it being about color.
     
  16. PDMan

    PDMan Electromatic

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    Dec 26, 2016
    Nashville, TN
    Maybe the copyright issue on Tennessean is not with Gibson. Our local newspaper here in Nashville, owned by Gannett, is The Tennessean.
     
  17. tartanphantom

    tartanphantom Country Gent

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    Jul 30, 2008
    Murfreesboro, TN
    It's not a copyright infringement issue, it's a trademark issue. The Tennessean newspaper is not in the musical instrument business, so the name similarity makes no difference there. If that were the case, then you, me, and every other citizen of the state would have cause, as we are all Tennesseans, and state residents have been called Tennesseans for much longer than that janky newspaper has been in existence.;):D
     
  18. speedicut

    speedicut Friend of Fred

    Jun 5, 2012
    Alabama
    Anyone know which Tennessee Roses have ebony fretboards?
    I think the ones on the Gretsch site ( Player's Edition and Vintage Select) are both rosewood..
     
  19. Henry

    Henry Gretschified

    Apr 9, 2014
    Petaluma
    Prefer the name with Rose.
     
  20. GAMBLER1234

    GAMBLER1234 Electromatic

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    Jan 18, 2018
    Henderson Nevada
    The pre "Players Edition" 6119's have ebony fret boards. (Not original pick guard and rings)

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