This guy LOVES this Eastman Les Paul style guitar

Discussion in 'Fred's Barcalounge' started by radd, Jun 23, 2019.

  1. ramjac

    ramjac Gretschie

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    Aug 14, 2011
    Wisconsin
    This. There are a lot of factors that go into selecting a guitar (color being the most important per a thread here I recall from last month ...). If resale is one of yours (it’s definitely one of mine) then I can see having doubts about pulling the trigger on one of these. Buying a Gibson or a Fender (or, I”ll say it: even a Gretsch) is like buying a truck with four wheel drive or a house in the suburbs with a huge kitchen and 4.5 bathrooms.
     
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  2. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
    Florida
    Gibson actually stole the open book headstock too. It existed long before. Fast forward to 11 minutes and you’ll see a mandolin from 1880 with it. I do agree that a more unique headstock would’ve been better to identify it as a different brand from a far.

     
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  3. ramjac

    ramjac Gretschie

    224
    Aug 14, 2011
    Wisconsin
    I found that video both interesting and annoying. Annoying in that the guy should have just skipped the butchered intellectual property rant and just focused on the interesting find of the 1880s mandolin. We don’t know the full history of that mandolin, but legal issues aside, it does seem hard to reconcile its existence with a video diatribe appealing to the masses to play “original”.
     
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  4. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    The Eastman seems different enough to me.
    But in general. It seems a rite of passage thing. Make (close enough) copies first, get people to take notice, then hit the market with their own stuff.
     
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  5. Chris MC

    Chris MC Gretschie

    196
    Oct 27, 2014
    Orange, Aus
    I play an Eastman LP style guitar when I take lessons. Its solid.
     
  6. Lacking Talent

    Lacking Talent Synchromatic

    749
    Aug 5, 2010
    Los Angeles, CA
    Well, contrary to some complaints here, neither the body nor headstock on the guitar in the video are exactly like that of a Gibson Les Paul, but for those upset that Eastman's designs may too closely evoke instruments purveyed by other, more established brands, do not feast your eyes on this...

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  7. tdtom

    tdtom Gretschie

    338
    Oct 26, 2018
    new zealand
    thank you for the Eastwood correction. Just saw Eastwood Backlund guitar on the NZ version of ebay.... it was $2700. New Zealand dollars...
     
  8. Gretschtim1

    Gretschtim1 Country Gent

    Dec 4, 2012
    Dundalk, Md
    I can't put classical instruments such as violins & cellos or for that matter drum sets in the same category as electric guitars. It you very the shape or size too much the sound will change. Electric instruments are different - many more parts that will affect the way the instrument sounds. 335, Les Paul, Telly, Strat, Gretsch, Rickenbacker, etc. are all very different. Not only in the way they look but the way they sound and feel.
    These knock offs try their best to copy the sound and feel of the guitars they are copying.
    My Carvin DC 127 is a variation of the Strat design but the headstock and body shape is very different. The wood they use (Koa) the pickup configuration (Humbucker) the bridge design, tension, neck through body and access to the highest fret is totally different than a Strat. I own a Fender Strat and it's a totally different guitar than my Carvin.
    That's a much different thing than Eastman or Ibanez or who ever copying the body shape including the wood selection, the head stock, pickup configuration, bridge, tail piece. They even copied the look of the plastic keys for God sake. I mean really it's nothing original about that and after a while it just gets boring.
     
  9. afire

    afire Country Gent

    IMO, it's the inlays that cross the line from LP inspired to LP knockoff.

    That's actually kind of backwards. They started as a bowed instrument company then branched into acoustic flat tops and acoustic/electric archtops, some leaning traditional, some decidedly modern/original. It's only more recently that they've added 175ish and 335ish models (like nearly every other guitar company since the early '60s.) and only very recently an LPish model (like most guitar companies since the late '60s).

    Knock them all you want for this current foray into knockoff territory, but the criticism that they haven't "come up with their own designs" just isn't accurate.

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  10. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
    Florida
    Well there are electric violins as well as upright basses. And there has been a few attempts throughout the years. But not what the paying public by large in part want. They want tradition.

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    It wasn’t made to be original. That’s why it’s called a 59. I know I could never afford an original and real 1959 Gibson. Even though it still is not cheap, it is cheaper. The Eastman is meant to bring that dream to others if they want it. It’s not what I’m interested in at the moment. But it’s there if I did.
     

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  11. Wozob

    Wozob Country Gent

    Jul 6, 2014
    The Netherlands
    Originality may not be their goal with this model (it is with several other models though) or what buyers of this model are looking for. If you're looking for originality there are plenty of other choices (also within the Eastman brand). Or be original yourself and buy a Fender Strat.
     
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  12. Gretschtim1

    Gretschtim1 Country Gent

    Dec 4, 2012
    Dundalk, Md
    I guess if they went backwards it must be because they are not selling enough of their own design and have to fall back on Gibson styles to make money.
    Oh well that's nothing new these days.
    After looking at the guitars above I understand why. They look like they were made by American Motors - the Rambler of guitars...:D.
     
  13. Henry

    Henry Gretschified

    Apr 9, 2014
    Petaluma
    The strat was original. Buying one now is not. ;)
     
  14. Gretschtim1

    Gretschtim1 Country Gent

    Dec 4, 2012
    Dundalk, Md
    Too late I've already bought a few.
     
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  15. new6659

    new6659 Gretschie

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    Dec 10, 2018
    Southwestern Ontario
    I've never played an Eastman but in the past year and a half I have seen a fellow, Reg Schwager, play his three times here in Ontario backing touring jazz acts. I think the one he uses is this:

    [​IMG]I can't imagine how it could have sounded any better for the intended purpose. I have an ES-165 (Herb Ellis) and an ES-175 which were probably twice as expensive or more than this guitar but it was certainly their equal or more in the hands of Schwager.
     
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  16. afire

    afire Country Gent

    That's kind of guitar 101. If it's derivative, it's stealing. If it's original, it's stupid. I feel for guitar designers. There's practically no place to succeed.
     
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  17. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
    Florida
    I’d be happy to take a AMC Rambler or even an AMX off your hands if you had one.

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  18. TV the Wired Turtle

    TV the Wired Turtle Gretschified

    Jul 25, 2009
    so cal
    @giffenf didnt you buy one of these and couldnt get it to stay in tune no matter what you did? I was sure it was a gretsh eastman style?
     
  19. Gretschtim1

    Gretschtim1 Country Gent

    Dec 4, 2012
    Dundalk, Md
    My buddy has an AMX. It certainly isn't a Rambler. I had a 1984 American Motors Jeep. It was a piece of crap.
    There are lots of cars I'd rather have from that era. American Motors didn't make any of them...:).
     
  20. Gretschtim1

    Gretschtim1 Country Gent

    Dec 4, 2012
    Dundalk, Md
    Funny how Fender, Gibson, Gretsch, Rickenbacker, Guild, etc. were always coming up with new guitar designs. Even companies like Vox in the 60s had some very original designs.
    I think it's just that a lot of designers these days take the easy way out - or maybe they just lack imagination.
    It kind of reminds me of what's happening in Hollywood these days with movies and all the rehash.
     
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