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Discussion in 'Fred's Barcalounge' started by Charlie westside, Jun 25, 2019.
There is this one too!
Maybe Leo was inspired by the Bigsby headstock. But the 1950‘s Esquire headstock
looks pretty different. It follows the body shape. So remember that it was the headstock of the Strat that‘s similar to the Bigsby, 2 years later.
When PRS started making a compact solid body guitar with a single Florentine cutaway, i.e., much like the Bigsby Travis guitar, Gibson sued them. Like I said, there's more to it than just the body silhouette, but that was a big part of it. PRS didn't really change anything else about their guitars other than going from double to single cutaway, and that was enough for Gibson to take them to court over. Did Gibson lift the Les Paul body style from Bigsby? Maybe, maybe not. But it certainly existed before the Les Paul. And before you point out that the body shapes of the Bigsby and Les Paul aren't identical, neither are the shapes of the PRS singlecut and the Les Paul.
Did they win that lawsuit?
No, they sure didn't. They fought it tooth and nail, though. They had success in the lower courts and did manage to get an injunction that lasted four or five years, during which time PRS was barred from making the Singlecut model. But in the end, they lost on appeal and the US Supreme Court declined to hear the case.
What a shame. I understand That he went to Gibson Who told him none of his ideas would ever go anywhere.
I have seen the Appleton. Yes looks like a LP. Or rather the LP looks like the Appleton. I believe he took the guitar to Gibson and they told him it wasn't marketable.
I’m out of this one...y’all are obviously too emotionally invested. That Appleton looks no more like a Les Paul than the Super 400.
Gibson was dragged into the electric market because they thought a solid body was crude compared to their crafted instruments.
The Les Paul was an attempt to catch up and show Fender and their ilk how to make a silk purse.
Nobody had to show Gibson how to design a guitar for the love of Pete Thorn..:they’d been doing it for decades.
I think for most things guitar, when you hear "first time" it's generally not exactly correct.
Yeah man I said the same thing in the Gibson thread....
That thing don't look like any Gibson I've ever seen or played. If anything it's closer to a Strat than a Gibson.
It must have been weird for Leo Fender to be told he couldn't use the "Fender" design....
Sure. That seems self evident, but it doesn't mean they didn't see what others with more visionary tendencies were doing to advance the art at the time. And thinking more about it, it does seem that somebody(s) did need to show Gibson how to design a guitar. Paul Bigsby, Leo Fender, and Les Paul. No doubt, Gibson nailed it when they finally came out with a solidbody. But it did take other pioneers to lead the way.
That baby is beautiful!
And it’s pretty obvious that the body resembles what a les paul body would eventually be, and the headstock is clearly a precursor to a strat headstock. C’MON!
You’re too emotionally invested...
Doing it for decades? Sure but no electrics!
Fascinating. So he was shown the door a decade before Gibson actually had the idea to make an electric.
What that tells me is Les Paul possibly instigated production of an electric, but actually had very little to do with the design. Something I’ve always wondered about if you look at the aesthetics of his other “inventions”. Including the “Log” they are very very crude.
Interesting that the APP makes use of a truss rod, which is originally a Gibson patent from the ‘20s...
If anything, it sure is pretty cool to read about the origins of the one thing we all love so much around here the guitar.
I'd say that this is the winner in the first cutaway contest.
Not quite so early, but while we're on the subject of early cutaways, I'm always happy for an excuse to post a picture of the coolest acoustic guitar ever made. The 1920s Epiphone Recording Model D: