The NEW DeArmond Dynasonics *NPD*

Discussion in 'The Pickup Place' started by BorderRadio, Sep 11, 2019.

  1. BorderRadio

    BorderRadio Country Gent

    Mar 6, 2014
    Phoenix, AZ
    Haaaaayyyyy Youuuuuuu Guuuuuuuys!

    The NEW DeArmond brand Dynas are out! The DeArmond brand is owned by Cordoba, these new pickups are made in Korea, aka “BHK”, which makes many kinds of pickups for lots of import brands. Close inspection suggest these are made in the same way as the MIA DeArmond 2000s that were installed in Electromatics in the early to mid Oughties. I bought a set for my Streamliner, ripping out the T-Armond and replacing the much loved vintage Model 2000T I sold :( Can’t go wrong, right? :)

    The casing/mount is stamped like the vintage models, but a squarer die appears to have been used. Not as round as TVJs or the vintage casing. The bobbins are held in by a soldered base plate, the riser screws are soldered in as well—I’ve been told these are very difficult to pull apart. I’m not determined to do it just yet, especially since this design seems pretty much similar to the DA 2000s. Lots of wax potting, hoping I can get some of that extra wax out/or they are light dipped since I rather keep these pickups on the microphonic side.

    Neck resistance: 7.5k,
    Neck inductance: ~3.9H

    Bridge resistance: 8.8k
    Bridge inductance: ~5H

    I’m thinking these are probably going into Guild Starfires, but who knows. Nothing about them on the website yet. I have high hopes for these pickups based on the numbers :)

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  2. BorderRadio

    BorderRadio Country Gent

    Mar 6, 2014
    Phoenix, AZ
    Here’s my old Special Jet with DA 2000s. All signs point to the same design, Alnico slugs with working elevator mechanism and low mounting profile. These pickups can and should be parked up closer to the string, with no worry of dampening vibration with strong magnet pull.

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  3. BorderRadio

    BorderRadio Country Gent

    Mar 6, 2014
    Phoenix, AZ
    Yep, the Jerry Garcia model , SF-II :)

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  4. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    That is good news. By most accounts Cordoba did a decent job with the Franz pickups, so this bodes well for the "Dynas".

    And I just happen to have the perfect guitar for them, a Fender JA-90! I love P90s and Seymour Duncan pickups but the stockers are way too hot for me. Tele-sonic on the cheap.

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  5. dreamingGretsch

    dreamingGretsch Gretschie

    278
    Oct 12, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    Nice! I really want to try out these dynas in my Epiphone Casino!
     
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  6. Groutsch

    Groutsch Electromatic

    39
    Jun 9, 2018
    Maryland, US
    Oh, dang, my Starfire may need an upgrade! How do the Dynas sound?
     
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  7. calebaaron666

    calebaaron666 Country Gent

    Aug 15, 2018
    Portland, Maine
    These look good.
    I’m looking forward to a sound report.
     
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  8. unknown fan

    unknown fan Gretschie

    104
    Aug 7, 2018
    Tn
    Id like to try one as a neck pu in a tele
     
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  9. TV the Wired Turtle

    TV the Wired Turtle Gretschified

    Jul 25, 2009
    so cal
    According to Walter Broes of Belgium's Seatsniffers fame, and being a foremost authority on all things Guild.. He states these guys franz pickups are more like P-90s than the sound of vintage Franz pickups so this new trademarked DeArmond pickup has me scratching my head.
     
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  10. Uncle Daddy

    Uncle Daddy Friend of Fred

    Jan 19, 2012
    Maldon UK
    Is there a link to where I can order a set?
     
  11. wildeman

    wildeman Gretschified

    May 10, 2015
    norcal
    I was just looking at them on eBay.
     
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  12. hcsterg

    hcsterg Country Gent

    Feb 13, 2012
    France
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  13. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    He could be right. It's perfectly acceptable to think of a Franz pickup as a crudely constructed P90. Many professional winders like Lollar, Novak and Duncan do...
    Wound anywhere between 4 and 8 K(o_O) with 2 weak ass bar magnets. They generally give a smoother cleaner tone, and are less mid orientated than a P90. But like the PAF there is no definite Franz recipe. As ever, biased generalisations as to what things are or aren't, are encouraged. It's all we have. ;)
     
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  14. BorderRadio

    BorderRadio Country Gent

    Mar 6, 2014
    Phoenix, AZ
    It's an awesome sound. I routed deep for Gretsch Dynas before, but these new DA Dynasonics should drop in a typical HB route, like those found on a Squier Classic Vibe. One just needs to stack some foam in the cavity and use some longer screws.

    I found the Dyna casing too wide to place it next to the neck, where I like it, so I had to grind down one edge and corner of the Dynasonic to get it as close as possible. That step is not necessary, just my personal preference.

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  15. BorderRadio

    BorderRadio Country Gent

    Mar 6, 2014
    Phoenix, AZ
  16. CousinWarsh

    CousinWarsh Synchromatic

    500
    Jun 24, 2018
    Western NY
    That looks Awesome! I want to do that!


     
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  17. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    Congrats! Love the US 2000s in my special Jet as well. If these are like them, then good stuff!


    I've got no frame of reference on vintage Franz pickups, but the Cordoba era ones sound great to me in my Aristocrat & a used pelham blue Tbird ST at the local Sam Ash that's been taunting me for months now....
     
  18. Uncle Daddy

    Uncle Daddy Friend of Fred

    Jan 19, 2012
    Maldon UK
    I've wanted one of those special jets for ages, but they are rarer here than an honest politician, so guess who just ordered a Les Paul special to go with the DeArmonds sitting in my man drawer! Meh heh heh!
     
  19. Lizardkinged

    Lizardkinged Friend of Fred

    Age:
    32
    Oct 5, 2009
    Michigan
    Well I wasn't a huge fan of the RI 2000's that guild and fender threw into the electromatics. Granted they are better than handfuls of other pickups, I'm excited to hear if these are better or improved in any way. Although for 90 dollars a piece I think that's entirely fair to ask of the old ones.

    I do like Dynas, but they're such a pain in the ass to mount particularly in solid-bodies, and frankly I don't want to afford T-Armonds. I really don't like their hi-fidelity and in my opinion their over-the top high end.

    Sometimes you find a set of the best vintage ones out there that they put in Martins, Kustoms and Standels. They're my favorite iteration. I've played them in a Martin F55 once.
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  20. TV the Wired Turtle

    TV the Wired Turtle Gretschified

    Jul 25, 2009
    so cal
    Talked to Tom of Tvjones about this company last night. He found it disappointing but those are my words, it was more of a headscratch I think because gretsch and fender didnt hold onto what they had... but he who holds the name can put it on anything they so deem right. I like what was shared on the other gretsch forum by a well penned older gent(dont yell at me for cross posting, Doc Milktruck does it all the time)..

    I am posting his musings on the subject, not mine.
    "

    I guess whoever owns the DeArmond brand at any given time has the right to call anything they like a Dynasonic.

    But without even starting to pass judgment on the relative performance of all these near-lookalikes, it's a shame there's no trade nomenclature to denote a pickup with the original FidelaTone design - ie, magnetized polepieces with the spring-loaded elevators.

    I've had experience with all the above pickups (except the new ones), and I like them all. But they do NOT sound the same, and I much prefer the original design.

    Others, however, may prefer the alternate construction. As things now stand in the marketplace, anyone - with any preference - may well be confused by the many similar pickups with similar shells, bearing various combinations and variations of "DeArmond," "Dynasonic" and "2000/2K" in their names.

    It would serve the market well if FMIC, Cordoba, and even Seymour Duncan could come up with a consistent and clear naming convention. Only TV keeps it clear with T-Armond. Not only do you know what you're getting, but TV has an exclusive model name which doesn't inadvertently advertise others' products.

    Seems like they'd all want that.

    Since "2000" and "2k" have been ruined, and at least three brands are now using "Dynasonic," maybe Gretsch could always call theirs "FidelaTone Dynasonic."

    (I would suggest "FidelaSonic," but I'm not sure we need another coinage - and it could suggest some new variety rather than emphasizing the long history of the pickup Harry D gave a number and the name FidelaTone, and which Gretsch renamed Dynasonic.)

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