Speaker Breakin... Do You

Discussion in 'Ampage Area' started by Zeek, Nov 1, 2019.

  1. Zeek

    Zeek Gretschie

    334
    May 29, 2016
    Illinos USA
    I have a question about speaker break in. I know probably everybody's got their own way some people might not even think it needs to be done. Today I just got 30 hours on my speakers not counting a few hours of playtime I have a 30 minute Loop that I play through my amp for about 5 hours a day and I adjust the volume up and down about every 30 minutes the loop consists of three minute intervals of different musical styles rock blues jazz punk rock heavy metal metal country rockn roll R&B swing rockabilly you name it it's on there.

    What process do you use if any ?

    How many hours do you consider broke in?

    Can you tell a difference?

    Any tricks you use ?

    Am I crazy an wasting my time, (Half of the question is already answered )..?

    Im curious what a amp builders perspective is..

    Thanks
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    When I was workin on the amp , The Amp Inspector stopped buy to see my progress ....

    He had no opinion on breakin but thought I was spending to much time on it .
     
  2. thunder58

    thunder58 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Age:
    60
    Dec 23, 2010
    tappan ny
    Perhaps member @hcsterg would be best to comment here
     
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  3. Bertotti

    Bertotti Country Gent

    Jul 20, 2017
    South Dakota
    I do think some speakers need more break in than others. The 1230-55 Weber’s I had sounded harsh when I got them and pulled them right away. I was set straight by Ted at the time. After some play time they did smooth out and sound great. The dope, the material used all make a difference. I think it is more noticeable on paper/fiber and doped paper/fiber materials than some of the more synthetic materials.
     
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  4. G5422T

    G5422T Synchromatic

    787
    May 24, 2012
    usa
    Over the years when I've ordered a few Weber speakers, I've had them do a "break in" before they shipped.

    Not sure if they still offer this, but the speakers sounded great right out of the box.

    IMO, you're doing a good process with yours. If you're not gigging or playing regularly, it'll just help them get there quicker.

    To me, new speakers are like a new car, just a little stiff, and needs some hours of running time to settle in.

    Love your inspector too.
     
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  5. hcsterg

    hcsterg Country Gent

    Feb 13, 2012
    France
    Well... I never do speaker break-in o_O:oops:
    I play the amp and... One day the speaker will be broke-in ! :rolleyes:

    That said, if it is for measuring the characteristics (T-S parameters) of a speaker, a break-in is compulsory, otherwise you have inconsistent results - particularly with Hi-Fi loudspeakers, and moreover if they are new.

    There are several procedures, going from 50-60Hz high amplitude signal to deliver compliance to the suspensions, to frequency sweeps, and pink or white noise at different output power... IIRC, the PA speakers from the famous brand GAUSS were each tested very severely : under white noise at max rated power for 10 hours ! :eek:

    Deduced from what I just wrote above for the Hi-Fi, break-in a guitar speaker is not a bad idea at all, of course.

    But IMHO, playing it at different loudness levels without worrying too much is enough for us - maybe a bit longer process, yes, but definetly less a hassle : you play guitar in the meantime ! ;)

    But it's me, OK ? :D

    A+!
     
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  6. MrMajstyk

    MrMajstyk Gretschie

    156
    Dec 3, 2011
    los angeles
    I usually buy an amp when I need one, like for tomorrow’s gig, so no time for breaking it in.
    I just tweak all the controls til it sounds good, then later, re-adjust as it breaks in.
     
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  7. swivel

    swivel Synchromatic

    949
    May 13, 2018
    PNW
    I have not felt the need for break in with any Eminence I have bought.
    I have found that some Webers require a ton of break in. Particularly the F150 series. Some I have abandoned as they never got there for me even after factory "break in" and additional break in. Go figure. Not sure why.... but IIRC Ted told me that the F150 (C12N) was designed after the old Jensen C12n and it's amazing tone was due to very tight voice coil clearances. Unfortunately, making things perfect every time in the real world is maybe difficult!
    I sold my old C12N Weber in an amp I built because it just sounded so good! I figured "I'll just buy another". Two attempts later I gave up.
     
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  8. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    Not an amp builder, but I've run some guitar heavy music through a solid state amp into new speakers while I was going to be away from the house on several occasions. Not sure it did a bit of good but hey at least it felt like I was doing something :)

    As far as amount of time required before break in, that's seemed to vary widely for me. I don't think I've had any new speaker that I felt changed significantly after 20-30 hours of actually playing through it at decent volume though (even the Webers). Some of them have sounded great and never really changed for me from installing them as brand new.
     
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  9. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Friend of Fred

    Age:
    55
    Feb 6, 2015
    In the USA
    This has worked well for me. I don't believe in playing hours and hours of music through new speakers. The initial break-in, using the aforementioned method, is more effective and happens in significantly less time, but YMMV.
     
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  10. hcsterg

    hcsterg Country Gent

    Feb 13, 2012
    France
    Oh, and your appointed and mandated Amp Inspector is cute and cool, @Zeek ! :)

    A+!
     
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  11. ruger9

    ruger9 Country Gent

    Nov 1, 2008
    NJ
    I used to break them in. Various tricks and methods. But as I have grown older and played more over the years, I've kind of learned that while speakers DO change with break-in, it's not drastic (you might THINK it's drastic; to some people a 5%-10% change is drastic), but it's on the subtle side. My point being, if you don't really like a speaker out of the box, you won't really like it after it's broken-in. If you really like it when new, you will probably love it after break-in.

    So now, I just turn up and play the thing.

    But what I used to do was this:

    On speakers with dope (I always buy no-dope speakers, I prefer hemp cones actually), I would brush acetone on the dope, then play a hip hop album (my wife's) through it, then repeat. The acetone thing is a Weber method, is helps break down/loosen up the dope so it breaks in faster. Hip-hop for the bass, which moves the speaker more. Turn the bass up, the treble down, and the volume up until you can see the cone moving with the bass hits.
     
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  12. Lionpotato

    Lionpotato Gretschie

    419
    Oct 10, 2018
    Upland
    And they would know for sure!
     
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  13. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    This Celestion method sounds good - thanks for posting.
    I'm gonna try this on my new cab to quicken the process with a V30 fitted.

    I've only ever had Celestion speakers (V30, C90 Black Shadows, Creamback, V Shape, Seventy 80) and all significantly improved after a few weeks of normal playing time to break in.
     
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  14. Zeek

    Zeek Gretschie

    334
    May 29, 2016
    Illinos USA
    Thanks for all the replies.

    I guess it boils down to "Does it make you sleep better." ....

    At worse I am 30 hr closer to blowing them up!

    I will agree, I seems no matter how long I broke in or used the stock fender speaker I've not liked it and pulled it. The one exeption would be a super champ I run my loopers through

    He's a Dandy he one of those dogs you didn't plan on having just kind of ended up that way , he ran the neighborhood for awhile, He didn't have any discipline out all night gallivanting so we took him in he's super smart and a super clean dog.

    His name is Flash and he is one.

    I call him Philmore Flashington the 1st. All the Bi... girls call him Flash (and in a Isaac Hayes voice ) Thats A Good Thing.

    My wife asks the question how can he be a 1st if he is neutered ....

    I just tell her that its complicated n leave us alone.
     
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  15. audept

    audept Senior Gretsch-Talker

    Age:
    72
    Dec 1, 2010
    Sydney, Australia
    I love Flash, the amp inspector! Sheba only inspects guitars at the moment, she needs to step up a notch.
     
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  16. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    I agree it is complicated and Flash sure looks like he's done some serious amp inspecting there :)

    The only time my little guy Sprout comes near the amps is when he has a ball in his mouth and wants to play ..... and that's about x10 per day :)

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  17. new6659

    new6659 Synchromatic

    634
    Dec 10, 2018
    Southwestern Ontario
    Love your dog!
     
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  18. Zeek

    Zeek Gretschie

    334
    May 29, 2016
    Illinos USA
    He is a handsome man
     
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  19. new6659

    new6659 Synchromatic

    634
    Dec 10, 2018
    Southwestern Ontario
    There is a lot going on inside those dogs!
     
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  20. hcsterg

    hcsterg Country Gent

    Feb 13, 2012
    France
    Everything like amps, guitars (even acoustic), speakers, etc... Is an immediate signal - at the first sight or first heard - to flee and stay at a distance of those awful quietness disturbers - for Tibou, our Old Lady Cat :

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    She only inspects what I post on Gretsch-talk, in evening, while listening to ambient electronic music :

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    OK, this has little to do with speaker break-in, but... :confused:;)

    A+!
     
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