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Discussion in 'Fred's Barcalounge' started by drmilktruck, Aug 14, 2019.
Can't afford a new wife. Going to try mod's on the wife I have.
Good luck with that!
That's suicide mentality.
Where online can i find those mods and upgrades?
Re-wiring is difficult in that situation.
I need to polish this case, it's so dusty...
I don't think there are many differences, apart from maybe some variation in pitch (the British Library in London has a tuning fork that belonged to Beethoven, and it is around one semitone high) and, of course, in personal interpretation of what's written, which happened then and now. I think so because, even back when Beethoven was alive, it was music that was meant to be played from a written score. When you're a classically-trained musician (maybe excepting some avant garde composers) you think in terms of music theory, and the music you come up with fits what you know can be written.
I've had a very exhaustive classical training, and I find it limits me. Knowing how to read music is not necessary, but it's great, as long as it's not the only thing you can do. This is, I think, my main problem when trying to play the guitar.
Knowing how to read music does not limit creativity. It adds to your toolbox, but does not detract from your other tools. The only limit is time, and I can certainly see how spending ones time learning something else may be more useful in a particular situation.
It’s a facet of musical knowledge that is very useful, but many excellent players don’t read. I’m all in favor of reading, and taught my students accordingly. That having been said, I know that some people are able to mentally amp a song without any written manuscript involved.
If I have charts, I use them. I sight read when possible, but I learn plenty of songs from just a chord chart. Getting the chord progression into your head is very useful, whether you read it from a staff or a chord chart.
I agree. I have no issue with people choosing not to learn to read. My gripe is when they put forth the anti-intellectual argument that the knowledge somehow makes their music less creative or passionate, or soulless.
This rusty, beat up old National sucks, can i have a brand new one?
I guess we will never know but I just suspect that today's performances of pieces of music written hundreds of years ago sounds different in lots of ways. Tone of today's instruments, the attitude of the players vs. the way people felt back in those days. The design of the rooms the music was played in back then. Were the players back then more disciplined - did they play music for the love of it rather than players in today's orchestras playing for a weekly paycheck? What ever the answer may be it is fun to think about. Maybe the music sounds better today?
I've actually seen a band leader punch out a bass player for making mistakes during a performance. I wonder if Beethoven ever did that....
I agree completely. The more I’ve learned, the easier it is to be creative. I can be disciplined, woodshed through a tune, counting carefully and playing as precisely as I can, but I can also cut loose and swing. One does not conflict with the other.
All things being relative. Pitch, temperament, and material of strings are huuuuge in some circles...
I've worked a few performances of the Academy of Ancient Music. There's a noticeable difference in some period instruments compared to modern ones. It'd be more likely in the baroque period of Bach than Beethoven's, but there are still differences. Pianos have really changed over the years. Stradivarius violins are still considered the best ever made.
That being said, I worked a small chamber group of 8 musicians. When the bassist was off stage, I noticed the surface cracking on his upright, just from obvious age. When I asked the age of it, he replied "1610". I wondered why he'd take such a valuable instrument on the road. "Nothing else sounds this good." He was right. Even back in the wings, I could feel the power of it when he played.
Here’s one you might not have heard before: it’s called smoke upon the water by a band called Dark Purple
I agree to some extent: of course reading music is useful, and it 'adds' to your toolbox... Supposing you have something else in your toolbox. Of course, I wasn't generalising; I only meant to say that for some people who, like me, started reading music at a very early age and who, I suspect, aren't really creative or intuitive, or whatever it takes, it can be a hindrance. Well, no, not a hindrance. If I couldn't read music, I wouldn't be able to play any music at all, so reading music is not hindering, but helping me in that sense. I suppose it's more a matter of how I am. I suppose I learn things one way, and it's close to impossible for me to learn them any other way. I don't think I'm being too rigid, at least not on purpose.
I attended guitar lessons for between four and five years, a long time ago. So it's not as if I haven't tried; after one year or so I suspected I wasn't going anywhere, but I didn't want to run the risk of giving up too soon. All I managed in those five years is playing the scale of G major all over the fretboard, and little else. My teacher played some rhythm guitar, which I had to copy. I was able to fret the chords more or less correctly, but as to the strumming, I couldn't copy him until I dissected what he was playing (like 'a crotchet down, two quavers down and up, a quaver silence and another three quavers starting upwards'). I know it sounds like I'm exaggerating, but it was basically that.
I couldn't understand what was happening until I met a guitar teacher / session musician who had also had a classical training, and just after getting his degree got a job as a session musician in a recording studio. He was technically perfect, but had to leave after the first day because he had absolutely no idea what he had to do if he wasn't given some sheet music. I've discussed this with other friends from the conservatory, mainly pianists -some of them brilliant- that want to play some jazz, and it's more common that it seems. Maybe it's because of the way music is taught over here, or maybe the proportion of 'rigid' people is high.
Anyway, lots of years have passed since my guitar lessons. I've forgotten the little I knew, so I'm starting from scratch, and I'm determined to carry on trying. I'm keeping sort of a log of my progress, and I can already see it's a slow one, but I'm persistent.
Still, I believe that reading music has prevented me from being able to play more by ear. If I hadn't had that resource, maybe I'd have had to look for another way to do it, and I might have found it. Or maybe not.
Sorry, didn't read the whole post, I'm worried reading it all might affect my ability to talk and listen.