NGD: Not a Gretsch, but it is something RED. I admit I have a GAS problem.

Discussion in 'Other Cool Guitars' started by dreamingGretsch, Sep 11, 2019.

  1. dreamingGretsch

    dreamingGretsch Gretschie

    278
    Oct 12, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    I've been hit with gas for this guitar for a while now.. Ive had, and have used the iconic guitars that most of us have/had used/tried/owned.. but the only thing I havent had any experience in playing is these type of guitars..

    Honestly, I was really scared to take the plunge because;
    1. wasnt sure it'll fit my rig and the type of music I play.
    2. I vowed to buy the high end models so as not to waste money (buy once, cry once), but I thought I'm just getting my feet wet..
    3. Also, I'm quite unsure if I want this one or the other more famous brother.. but once I saw this one for sale, for a good price, in immaculate condition, along with the case, I bit, and crossed my fingers.
    4. Upgrading pickups isnt as straightforward in case I dont like it, and there's limited options available.. but with all my guitars, I find that the stock pickups are okay, sometimes great, just needed a bit of tweaking but I never had to replace any pickups.. and again, I like to have a lot of options open in case, but this one might be problematic..

    It was shipped to me, and that was the anxious moment of my life, I have no problems buying sight unseen, it was dealing with a stranger halfway across the country and giving him the money, and trusting he would ship, but he did came through.. a gentleman in his senior years just trying to trim down his collection as he doesnt play that much anymore.. It was sitting in its case for ages, because all he plays are Rickenbackers, and he has a lot of it..

    One thing to note is one of the reasons I pulled the trigger is, this is an older model, so it has settled in a bit, also Rosewood board, and not the newer models with Pau Ferro.. so thats a win for me, I love my rosewoods!

    Here it is.. 2014 Epiphone Casino..

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    But oh well. it got delivered here in my office, I opened it up and played it in a boardroom, made sure no one is watching.. LOL, acoustic tones are far out nice!

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    One tone knob has been replaced, and three more spares has been given, but its not the same reflector knobs as the stock ones, it has the Les Paul type knob.. I kind of like it, but I wont change for now..

    Unfortunately Im in the office and cant take better photos, once I get home, I'll set this up, re-string it with 11's and take better photos!
     
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  2. Alanqa

    Alanqa Electromatic

    8
    Aug 22, 2019
    Lancashire UK
    I pondered for years over getting a Casino. I love the look and I thought I’d love the sound.... however I did have an Epiphone Wildkat a while back and the sound of that was dull and woolly. I don’t know if it was the p90s (same as the Casino’s) or the 4 miles of wiring.

    For a cheapish guitar it is rather iconic. Hope yours sounds great plugged in.
     
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  3. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    Epiphone's wiring is notorious. There is popular opinion that Epi pickups lack lustre and leave a lot to be desired. That may be so, but at least half of this can be contributed to the bafflingly high capacitance wiring. Also read: https://www.award-session.com/pdfs/Epiphone WildKat Tone Mods.pdf
     
  4. mbkri

    mbkri Country Gent

    Sep 22, 2012
    Chicago
    This was a fascinating article @Ricochet. Quite aside from the material of the coaxial, the impact of control layout on the tone of the guitar was a complete eyeopener.
     
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  5. larryb

    larryb Gretschified

    Age:
    50
    Oct 29, 2012
    Greenville, SC
    I LOVE RED!!!!!I WANT!!!!!!
    Congrats...she is too pretty!
     
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  6. wildeman

    wildeman Gretschified

    May 10, 2015
    norcal
    I use Epi P90's, i think they are as good as any. P90's are very easy to mod.
     
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  7. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    Absolutely, didn't want to imply there weren't any good Epiphone pickups. However it's worthwile to note that Epiphone has used different P90s throughout the years. The problem is, there is no way to visually differentiate between them. The ones metering a vintage "otentic" 8-ish KOhm DC resistance are pretty decent, but the ones measuring in the 12Ks are not so "hot". ;)
     
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  8. LivingMyDream

    LivingMyDream Country Gent

    Congrats on your new Casino, dreamingGretsch!
     
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  9. Tele295

    Tele295 Country Gent

    Jun 4, 2008
    Ventura, CA
    Looks like my old Gibson ES-330. I bet it sounds great
     
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  10. wildeman

    wildeman Gretschified

    May 10, 2015
    norcal
    Yep, and alot of the 8k ohmish ones are ceramic and also poopy.....easy magnet change will net you some excellent, cheap P90s though.
     
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  11. JC higgy

    JC higgy Friend of Fred

    Age:
    48
    Jun 6, 2008
    Belfast Norn Iron
    Congrats,its a pretty one!
     
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  12. dreamingGretsch

    dreamingGretsch Gretschie

    278
    Oct 12, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    Better Photos!

    Here are my observations!
    The BAD
    1. If I bought this bnew, I wouldve been pissed. The strap button is not centered. I’m very OC and this gets my blood boiling. To add to that, there are a few tooling marks on the rosewood board, its just a good thing that its somewhere past 15th fret and i wont be able to access it anyway.

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    2. It feels cheap. I dont know if its just very light, or it just feels like a toy, and I equate that to cheapness. This is the first time I had a Casino, and I never really knew what to expect.

    I had a Gretsch G5420T, Korean-made, all hollow too, and that one feels super solidly built. It didnt feel like a toy, but felt like it can take on a beating. This Casino is going to explode into pieces if I happen to look at it the wrong way.

    3. Tune-O-Crapmatic bridge. I need to replace this, but it works for now. No rattle or buzz.

    4. Thin neck! Its a good thing they’re almost the same thickness with my AVRI62, because I can stand it. I love my Fat necks, but this one is just a tootpick glued onto a body.

    The GOOD
    1. The pickups sounded great to my ears! I did adjust some pole pieces to even out the volume across the string. Really made the difference! volume across three positions are all even. So thats good.

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    2. Wood grain is really nice, front and back, even the neck has some figuring. I love that the cherry red color is just a touch transparent for the grain to come through.

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    3. I dont know why, but I had the easiest and fastest time spent to set up the string action, truss rod tweaks and overall playability of this guitar. I had a difficult time with my AVRI62, and it needs a pro-set up, full level and bone nut to get the playability to where it is now, but this one was a breeze. My AVRI62 and this one has the same action yet this one never buzzed my 62 does a bit.

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    I’m shocked. For a guitar that I think feels so cheap and about to break apart just by looking at it, to be honest, it is my best playing guitar! I dont know what to make of it. It just is. Despite of all the flaws I found, im shocked at how I was able to look past the flaws and enjoy the guitar as it is. Its definitely a fun guitar to play. I never had so much fun on exploring a new (to me) guitar.

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    My conclusion is that even this might have some aesthetic flaws, it was not something I had an issue with. I was more concerned on how it played, and sounded. I passed up on more guitars I can think of that are not so perfect looking but sounded and played great. I think a Gibson ES330 is in my immediate future.

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  13. Beardog

    Beardog Country Gent

    Age:
    56
    Apr 15, 2018
    Nova Scotia
    Congrats, good to hear your getting along with it
     
  14. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck Gretschified

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    I’m surprised there isn’t a Pro Line version of the Casino. I realize Epiphone is the budget brand of Gibson, but the brand has a history of its own and a few models as desirable as Gibson’s.

    Congratulations
     
  15. dreamingGretsch

    dreamingGretsch Gretschie

    278
    Oct 12, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    Yessir! I am! thank you!
     
  16. dreamingGretsch

    dreamingGretsch Gretschie

    278
    Oct 12, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    Im wondering that too, if I buy this new, this is priced higher than the Epiphone Dot 335 - PRO.. so I was assuming that the quality should step up a bit.. but I think its just going to be the same..
     
  17. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
    Florida
    Congrats and enjoy! It feels like there’s been a couple of Epiphone NGD’s here lately.
     
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  18. dreamingGretsch

    dreamingGretsch Gretschie

    278
    Oct 12, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    Yea, I've seen quite a few NGD threads!
     
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  19. unknown fan

    unknown fan Gretschie

    104
    Aug 7, 2018
    Tn
    Congrats on a guitar that fits you so well, those make playing fun!
     
  20. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    There is...They discontinued the whole Elitist line a while ago, except for the Casino model. Nitro finish, Gibson P90s, CTS pots etc...
    http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Archtop/Ltd-Ed-Elitist-1965-Casino-Vintage-Outfit.aspx
     
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