Next guitar... can't decide

Discussion in 'Fred's Barcalounge' started by Winterwind, Apr 7, 2019.

  1. Winterwind

    Winterwind Gretschie

    Dec 17, 2018
    London, Ontario
    I can't decide so what are forums for if not soliciting opinions. ;)

    My current wishlist is about 25k of just guitars. I'm just focusing on six-string electrics with the George Harrison Duo Jet and a G6136T-59 Falcon in Lake Placid blue occupying the top spots at $4200 and $4700 CDN respectively.

    Also on the list is the Player's Edition Tennessee Rose, a Ric 620, an Epiphone Casino and a G5220.

    Now, the Falcon is a "maybe one day it'd be nice" so... boom, gone from consideration.

    The George Harrison model is an "Oh yes, it will be mine" but I'd be saving for it though it'd be achievable closer to Christmas... lots of other bills take priorty. I could do in-house credit at Long & McQuade but that's bad, especially if the job doesn't pan out.

    The Tennessee Rose is another definitely some day and would be an upgrade on my G5420T. And I'd possibly even trade in the 5420 towards the Tennessee Rose.

    The Ric 620... Rics are a quality crapshoot. I've had two. One was a beauty, the other never should have left the factory and John Hall refused to honour the warranty even with the dealer weighing in on my side. And the first thing I'd do is swap out the R tailpiece and stock bridge with a trapeze and Nashville or ABR from Winfield Vintage. Still, the 620 has a serious cool factor and at $2000 I'd have the money saved before it even ships since L&M never have Rics in stock, always ordered with that trademarked Ric wait.

    The Casino... I already have one of those stellar Samick plant MIK Sheraton II's from 20 years back so I'm thinking the Casino wouldn't cover any tonal territory my Sheraton can't.

    The G5220... If L&M do the special run in Broadway Jade I pitched them obviously I'll get one, hopefully even discounted, but if not... Yeah, it's the most affordable "get it now" of the lot but... How much ground can it cover that my 5420 and Sheraton can't? I honestly don't know.

    So... which way should I go?
  2. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    I basically played two guitars for the first 2 decades, than started my tone quest amassing several budget instruments and as disposable income increased moved up a couple of tiers.
    How I wished that would have been the other way round. Get the very best guitar you can afford, you'll save a bundle on the cheapies you probably never needed in the first place.
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  3. hogrider16

    hogrider16 Gretschie

    Oct 18, 2017
    charles town wv
    My musical instrument collection was getting out of control until I started asking myself a few questions before any purchase. 1) What am I going to use this for? 2) What does this do that none of my other instruments do? 3) What instrument will I NOT play because I'm playing this one?

    I've gotten rid of over half my collection in the last two years and am much happier. I think these questions may help you decide which instrument to purchase first.
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  4. hogrider16

    hogrider16 Gretschie

    Oct 18, 2017
    charles town wv

    I'm on a bass forum and I see these people with a dozen or more cheap instruments and all I can think is, for what you have in that cheap stuff you could have an Alembic or Fodera.
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2019
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  5. T Bone

    T Bone Country Gent

    From what you've said above, I'd go for either the Harrison Duo Jet or the Tennessee Rose. Might help to shop around for a nice used example, could make it more affordable to get the guitar you want sooner.
  6. speedicut

    speedicut Friend of Fred

    Jun 5, 2012
    While I love the George Harrison DJ, for the price I would rather have a DJ with ebony fretboard and save by buying used...unless you're in a tribute band or something.
    I do like the Tennys, they make a good replacement for the 6120
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  7. larryb

    larryb Gretschified

    Oct 29, 2012
    Greenville, SC
  8. loudnlousy

    loudnlousy Friend of Fred

    Oct 18, 2015
    Hildesheim, Germany
    That`s a real luxury dilemma:)
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  9. Winterwind

    Winterwind Gretschie

    Dec 17, 2018
    London, Ontario
    That's way down my list.

    Only because we have cheap rent in a quiet neighbourhood and utilities are included. Our monthly expenses each are less than $550 each for rent, internet, cellphones and insurance. Even with groceries and credit card bills we're still under $1000 each.

    And we don't have a car.
  10. Bertotti

    Bertotti Country Gent

    Jul 20, 2017
    South Dakota
    Having been in this situation before and planning what you are planning my suggestion would be to save. You have an axe you like right? Amp you like right? But I did do the spending and **** hit the fan. My first suggestion is to save at least three months pay, three months that covers both your incomes then have at it. If you need some gear in the meantime buy a Mystery Brain Or BigSky Or Immerse, something to keep your juices flowing until you have three full months of combines income saved. If need be sell some gear and get a better guitar but focus on saving at least three months income! And this is only after all credit is paid off. Ok old man voice of reason off. Get your behind to the stores and start playing some of this gear to see what you bond with. Make it a weekend trip with your spouse or girlfriend or whatever you have, make it fun plan accordingly. Keep the significant other involved and it will always go smoother. Crap the darn cold medicine is making me sound old!
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  11. Bertotti

    Bertotti Country Gent

    Jul 20, 2017
    South Dakota
    Ok now that this last bit sank in. I still say save, wait for this to come to fruition for a reasonable amount of time and when they do get a Broadway Jade 5220 in let me know! You are probably aware of my bias towards that particular color. I dream of a Country Gent DC in that color or a Falcon!
  12. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    True enough, and a downright scary realisation if I start doing the math!

    On the other hand, each budget acquisition was legit(in my mind), a small but necessary step forward in the tone quest.
    I wanted change but didn’t have the means to make a giant leap. Now I have the means and stopped caring LOL.
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  13. Winterwind

    Winterwind Gretschie

    Dec 17, 2018
    London, Ontario
    Yeah, I'm only aware of the Penguin limited run I still drool over when see pictures and a double cut Electromatic Jet that was a special run for CME.

    The lucky situation we're in is that we can survive one just one income so the second is basically gravy... or icing if you prefer. We do want to start saving for a house though...

    I almost think I can take the Ric 620 out of the equation. I sold my second one about 12 years ago and there's this nagging voice in my head that just automatically expects a lemon again. I'd hate to save and be disappointed.
  14. Henry

    Henry Gretschified

    Apr 9, 2014
    Keep saving until you know what you want AND can afford it. You just got a job, don't blow your financial stability, period. And especially not in such an indecisive fashion!!!
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  15. TSims1

    TSims1 Gretschified

    Jun 18, 2013

    Words of wisdom here.
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  16. Winterwind

    Winterwind Gretschie

    Dec 17, 2018
    London, Ontario
    You'd think I was 16 and not 46. It's a question of which first, not which over all. :)
  17. hcsterg

    hcsterg Country Gent

    Feb 13, 2012
    Yes Winterwind : good idea for the G5220. You won't take much risks, it is a modest but wonderful guitar as is, a true Gretsch, and also a good modding platform, hence my (Lefty) mine :

    Right out of the box, brand new, in Dark Cherry Metallic :

    After modifications - maybe I'll do a custom pickguard in the future, though :

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  18. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    When it come to acquiring guitars we're all little boys(and gals) with our noses firmly pressed to, and fogging up, the shop window.

    With that said. Seems the most "Grail" like from the options above might be the GH Duo Jet, it's very specific and might become hard to find. Maybe focus on that one first.
    There are good alternatives for the others. If the GH signature has that much significance to you an ordinary Duo jet probably won't cut it.
  19. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Admin Post
    To paraphrase Winston Churchill; what is your aim? Your initial post lists a number of possibilities, none of which are poor choices, but what I would do at such a point is to ask myself what will this purchase allow me to do that I am unable to do without making a purchase. All of us like the idea of a great looking guitar hanging on the wall, but if you have a number of guitars that offer the same capabilities it doesn’t make much sense to add another guitar with the same set of capabilities.

    I would suggest starting out by making a list of categories. For example:

    • Electric guitar
    • Classical guitar
    • Acoustic steel-string guitar
    • Electric bass
    Ok, you can break some of these down further. Under electric guitars, for example:

    • Jazz guitar
    • Heavy Metal guitar
    • Jangly guitar
    • Twangy guitar
    • Hawaiian instruments (Steel Guitars)
    Under bass range instruments you could have:

    • Fretted
    • Fretless
    • Bass guitars made for melodic playing
    • Extended-range basses (5 string or more)

    Using myself as an example, I have use for electric guitars, a classical guitar and basses. I have a use for twangy electrics and a jazz guitar. I could break down those categories further, but I think that my point should be obvious. In my case, I have some degree of overlap. My ‘62 Tennie RI handles the twangy aspect of my tastes, nails Chet’s timbre, and is a pretty decent Jazz guitar, as well. I can use it for Surf on one song, swap to the neck pickup (and turn down the reverb) and use it for some Wes Montgomery sounds.

    For bass instruments, I have a fretted bass, a fretless bass and a Fender VI, which is more suited to playing melodic note, deep in the bass range, although it can handle the role of an electric bass, as well. Adding another bass to my collection would be useless for my purposes.

    So, in your situation, the question goes back to; what is your aim? IMHO, the Harrison Jet and a ‘59 Falcon don’t really fulfill the same function. I played a G6128-TCG when the Lug Nuts were a quartet, but when I became the sole guitarist, a Filtertron equipped hollow body made a lot more sense. I don’t know what your needs or interests are, so I can’t even begin to suggest between the first two Gretsch you mention. The Tennessee Rose sounds like an interesting compromise, to me. It would probably fill a similar (though not identical) sonic role as the Falcon. I would see it as a good up-trade from the 5420.

    The Ric’ sounds like a great axe, but I see it as somewhat specialized. To my sensibilities, the Ric’ is a jangle machine. They make a great counterpoint to a Gretsch, but I think of them in terms of Beatles, Folk-Rock, etc. and not so much as an all-around guitar. For my uses, it would never be a primary instrument, just like my classical will never be my primary stage guitar or my Fender VI will always be a niche instrument as part of my songlist. (I use the VI to accent certain passages in recordings, but it’s not something I’d use frequently and likely never will be.)

    I’ve had GAS as bad as anyone here, but I believe I’ve gotten a handle on it. There will always be more things out there that you don’t own than things you do own. If you buy a new sedan, you will not have a sports car. Buy a sports car and you won’t have a sedan. The way I deal with this is to recognize that even in discretionary purchases, such as a guitar, you have to make a conscious choice of your priorities and keep these in mind.

    One of the most common mistakes I see is people stepping their way up to what they really want. If you want a high end guitar, save up and strike when you are financially ready. Don’t make a series of trades, each of which will cost you money. However, with regard to Gretsch, I would say that anything in the Professional Series will fill the bill. Choosing a Tennessee Rose over a Falcon may not fulfill any lifelong dreams but either will do the job. Actually, my ‘62 Tennie RI was a lifelong dream and I think I’ll play it for my upcoming County Fair performance. In functional terms, a Falcon would give me nothing the Tennie can’t give me. I also have a ‘59 Country Gent RI and it would be no better sounding or better playing than the modestly priced Tennie.

    What is your aim?
  20. 5120mantis

    5120mantis Country Gent

    Mar 6, 2011
    An epiphone Casino is highly recommended
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