More NAMM amps: Marshall Studio series :)

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  1. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    SC20H (the JCM800 one)

    Specifications:

    Valves: 2x ECC83, 1x ECC83 (phase splitter) and 2x EL34

    Speakers: 1x10" Celestion V-type 10" (combo only)

    Channels: Single channel w/ high and low sensitivity inputs, preamp and master volume controls

    Speaker Outputs: 5x1/4" jack sockets (16Ω load / 8Ω load / 4Ω load)

    Power Control: 20W or 5W

    Outputs: DI output

    Equalization: Treble, middle, bass and presence controls


    SV20H (the 1959SLP one)

    Specifications:

    Valves: 2x ECC83, 1xECC83 (phase splitter), 2x EL34

    Equalization: Treble, middle, bass and presence controls

    Channels: Single channel w/ 4 separate inputs, High and low sensitivity loudness controls

    Speaker Outputs: 5x 1/4" jack sockets (16Ω load / 8Ω load / 4Ω load)

    Power Control: 20W or 5W

    Outputs: DI output

    Speakers: 1x10" Celestion V-type 10" (combo only)

    Here's a crazy long demo from Anderton's w/ both:


    I was pleasantly surprised to see the price closer to $1K than 2 w/ them being made in England too. I'm thinking your power tubes should last forever w/ them only asking for 10W a piece out of the EL34s and the 5W setting and DI out are really nice additions IMO.

    I dunno if I could bring myself to part w/ my 4210 JCM800 or Remedy, but these have me actually half contemplating the idea at any rate...
     
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  2. KelvinS1965

    KelvinS1965 Gretschie

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    Jan 11, 2019
    Wokingham
    I have the 2525H which has been included in this range (with some slight typo changes on the front panel). It's a great amp and I've played a few gigs with it and an acoustic drummer with no problems about headroom. Great range of tones and a very nice clean tone too.

    I also have the older JMP1-H 1 watt head, but obviously this isn't a gigging amp, so I'm toying with the idea of selling it and buying the new Vintage 20watt model from this range. I tried my G5622T through the JMP1-H last weekend, so I've a good idea how it'll sound through the 20 watt model. I already have a custom made 1x12 cab that would be a great match for the Plexi head too. Currently fitted with a V30 like the new range cabs, but I also have a 2x12 with Greenbacks to try it through.

    ...and I thought my Fender '64 Custom Deluxe reverb would be my last amp for a long while. :)
     
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  3. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    I'm a bit in the same spot cab wise, I've got an '80s 1966A (& a bunch of great speakers I could load it w/) that I think one of these would live w/ most of the time. The new cabs do look very nice to me though, especially the vintage styled one.

    I think the JCM would probably be in a bit more danger of being replaced than the non-MV Remedy if for no other reason than the portability advantage and space savings the SC20H would provide, but then again it's also significantly more practical in non-loud as hell band scenarios... I think there a good chance these will wind up showing up at the local stores though so I'm going to do my best at not thinking about the decision making process of actually getting one until I've got to experience them in person and let the sound/feel make the lion's share of the decisions for me.
     
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  4. loudnlousy

    loudnlousy Friend of Fred

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    Oct 18, 2015
    Hildesheim, Germany
    Considering that I had to sell an all original vintage annie JCM800 full-stack in porn white for EUR 2.500 some months ago this price is still laughing in my face bitterly.
     
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  5. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    Yeah, they're still not cheap, but given where the pricing of anything not assembled on the Pacific rim sits nowadays, I applaud them nonetheless for the price point (assuming they don't turn out to be junk that is...)
     
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  6. KelvinS1965

    KelvinS1965 Gretschie

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    Jan 11, 2019
    Wokingham
    I came across a 'B stock' open box Vintage head tonight. It wasn't the small discount, but the fact that I can have it sooner as most UK shops seem to be waiting for delivery now, so I've ordered it. Should arrive on Tuesday, which is perfect timing as we have a studio rehearsal on Wednesday and I'll be able to crank it up a bit.
     
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  7. KelvinS1965

    KelvinS1965 Gretschie

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    Jan 11, 2019
    Wokingham
    I got my Vintage today...can't see where the mark is supposed to be on the front panel, so can't complain about the condition and I got £30 off for it (plus the prices have gone up about £25 on top now).

    Haven't tried it with my Gretsch yet (sorry my Les Paul was handy and I didn't have long as it's in my living room and my wife had finished work). Sounds very loud (as expected), so I'm looking forward to tomorrow night and being able to crank it a bit.

    Plexi 1.jpg

    Plexi 2.jpg

    Plexi 3.jpg
     
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  8. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    Looks great man, I'm looking forward to your feedback when you've had a chance to to get it up to ramming speed!
     
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  9. loudnlousy

    loudnlousy Friend of Fred

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    Oct 18, 2015
    Hildesheim, Germany
    Wow. That looks mighty fine.
    Why do two EL34 deliver 20 watts, only?
    A standard 50 watt Marshall has two EL 34, too.
     
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  10. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    I thought the same thing, I assumed it's a design decision to provide the tonal character of the EL34s w/o all the output but ???
     
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  11. KelvinS1965

    KelvinS1965 Gretschie

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    Jan 11, 2019
    Wokingham
    I've just ordered an attenuator for it...tried it in the studio last night, but found even in 5 watt mode it was louder than we usually play at (was using the studio's 4x12 Marshall cab). I did try 20 watt briefly, but was too much for that room, but the good thing was that the sound didn't seem to change (unlike my Mini Jubilee), just got louder.

    At least with the attenuator I'll be able to play it cranked at home to get used to how to set it up and mix the two gains with my various guitars. Last night I used my Hot Rod Tele (Dimarzio 36th Anniversary neck and a SD 'Lil '59 in the bridge) and got some lovely sounds out of it. I want to have a try with my G5622T (of course) and also my Strat, so I might take those to the next rehearsal.
     
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  12. KelvinS1965

    KelvinS1965 Gretschie

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    Jan 11, 2019
    Wokingham
    I got a working attenuator eventually (two got damaged in transit from two different shops :rolleyes:). It works really well and doesn't seem to alter the sound, except for making it quieter. Maybe the lowest setting (18%) needs an eq tweak, but I run it at 25% at home.

    I also got my custom 1x12 cab from storage today. I had it made to match my JMP 1 watt head, but it's just the right size for this new head. Sounds really good (V30 in it currently, though I have a 2x12 with Greenbacks too).

    I took some photos outside this afternoon as the weather is so nice hear today. I confess to adding the Marshall logo to the cab as I found a shop selling the same font as the head:

    Plexi Stack 4.jpg
     
  13. thunder58

    thunder58 I Bleed Orange

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    Dec 23, 2010
    tappan ny
    Looks great , enjoy
     
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  14. wabash slim

    wabash slim Friend of Fred

    Age:
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    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    Depends on the circuit design. 20 watts would be Class A, 50 watts Class AB. Apples and oranges.
     
  15. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    Marshalls are cool. I just think they are a decade late. What was the last good classic Marshall, The YJM Plexi?
    So many good amps, people move on.
     
  16. KelvinS1965

    KelvinS1965 Gretschie

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    Jan 11, 2019
    Wokingham
    To be fair Rich, I'm probably 4 or 5 decades late as I still like to play stuff from the 1950s/60s as well as later rock stuff. :D

    I'd never really played through a 'Plexi' before I got my SV20H though, so it's all new to me. Not like I haven't tried other amp brands too: I've had Vox, Orange even some Line 6 stuff and some studios we rehearse in have Boss Katanas, but I know what I like and feel happiest playing through: Either of my Marshall heads or my '64 Deluxe Reverb.
     
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  17. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    One of the shop mates recently got one of the Vintage ones and brought it in to the shop today so I could check it out. Plugged into a 4x12 w/ V30s and Lead 80s in an X w/ the treble side jumpered into the normal, it was pretty damn impressive. Really nice bloom and dynamics, and (maybe unfortunately for me) really LOUD, even on the low power setting. Certainly louder than my 2410 JCM800 combo w/ a Neo Creamback in it w/ either at its loudest or quietest. Seems really well put together and highly portable too.
     
  18. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    Well as an ex JCM800 owner and Marshall tone lover I continue to be disappointed by Marshall corp.

    No disrespect to Kelvin and Sid coming here .
    Their expectations and needs for an amp are probably much less than mine.
    I hope you love the amp.

    We can never tell from a youtube video but I'll assume these new low watt amps sound very good with similar tones to their big brothers which I've owned, loved and used many times.

    My disappointment in Marshall continues to be in what these 20 watt amps don't have.
    Why are these 20 watters so big and heavy? - they could and should be lunch boxed size.
    Why are they still 1 channel with clean and overdrive crammed onto 1 channel.
    Why no reverb?
    Why is the 5w setting too loud for home use and even for gigging in a small venue.
    Why do owners also have to get an attenuator to use the 5w setting.
    Why are they so non versatile and so expensive for delivering so little.
    In Australia they cost $1750.

    Many of Marshalls competitors do provide all this in low watt amps for same or less $$.

    As much as I love Marshall's classic overdrive tones I eventually sold my JCM800 and moved to more versatile light weight amps when I found marshall clone pedals that sound almost the same.

    So I can't get interested in Marshall again until they start making lunch boxed sized 20-30 watters with 2 channels, independent EQs, reverb and series loop that sound great at bedroom and gigging volumes at competitive prices. If they ever do I'll probly buy one :)
     
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  19. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    I dunno, my shopmate's seemed awful light and compact to me at 20.7 lbs. and <1700 cubic inches... It's noticeably lighter and about the same size as my Dr. Z Z28 and it's a way simpler amp. If Marshall were to make lunchboxes, I don't think these would be the amps to do it w/ personally. I seriously doubt anyone's going to make the lunchbox you want w/o using a Class D power section and digital reverb.

    My guess is that there's probably no reverb or second channel because they're were having a hard time squeezing all of that into a pretty small head cab and what seems like a fairly low price for an English assembled amp these days. Beyond that it wouldn't really make sense to me to add reverb to the Vintage or screw w/ its channel design.

    The Vintage seems like it does a great job of what it's trying to do to me at any rate. I would need to use an attenuator w/ it for bedroom use, but the sounds are pretty great and it's got more utility and portability than any of the other giggable plexi style amps I've owned so far. I don't know that I'll be replacing my non-MV Remedy, 1974x, 4210, or Class 5 w/ one of these in a huge hurry (the JCM800 is the most likely candidate, but I haven't played one of the SC20Hs yet).

    I usually consider myself fairly demanding of an amp, but it's more about how they sound and feel than how many bells and whistles they have or how light they are, especially on the British type amps. Different strokes make the world go round though.

    Not trying to argue w/ you or sell you on one, just an additional .02 ;)
     
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  20. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    yeah Sid I hear you and I'm not looking to argue either but please look around.
    There's lots of light weight lunchbox sized 20 to 30 watt tube amps around that are multi channel, have reverb, independent EQs and series loop that sound great at bedroom and gigging volumes at competitive prices.

    I often post links to just a few of em on this forum and will do so again below
    http://www.egnateramps.com/EgnaterProducts/Rebel/Rebel20/Rebel20MarkII.html
    http://www.egnateramps.com/EgnaterProducts/Rebel/Rebel30/Rebel30MarkII.html
    http://www.egnateramps.com/EgnaterProducts/Tweaker/TweakerHead/TweakerVideos.html
    https://www.mesaboogie.com/amplifiers/electric/mark-series/mark-five-25/index.html
    https://www.mesaboogie.com/amplifiers/electric/mark-series/mark-five-35/head.html#amplifier-features
    https://www.blackstaramps.com/uk/ranges/ht-20r-mkii
    https://www.blackstaramps.com/uk/ranges/ht-20r-mkii

    Those Egnaters and Blackstars sound just a great as Marshalls and Mesa Boogie's are much better imo. No need for an attenuator for any of them :)

    But then take a look at the Mesa Boogie TA-15 and TA-30.
    They do Vox AC tones as good as an AC, they do Marshall JCM overdrive just as good as a real Marshall plus they have a wide range of Mesa Boogie tones in a small 12 pound package.

    If all these other amp makers can do it why can't Marshall?

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