How do you pedal? Front & Back or just Front?

Discussion in 'Pedal Pushers Forum' started by Charlie westside, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. Charlie westside

    Charlie westside Synchromatic

    610
    Jul 27, 2018
    Sylmar Califirnia
    Always curious, there's no right way to do it. What works best for you?
    I do the combo. Front/Back with modulation in the loop.
    Share you Best Practice.
     
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  2. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    90-95% of the time it's all up front mostly due to more than half of my amps not having a loop. I've got a couple boards setup for easy access to use the time/mod pedals in a loop, but most of the time I'm too lazy to hook it up.

    If I were using time/mod more extensively than I do any more, I'd be a lot more likely to use the loops where I've got them, but most of the time it's just a slap into a spring verb and an amp style trem if I'm using anything other than drive.
     
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  3. BuddieGreen

    BuddieGreen Gretschie

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    Sep 3, 2018
    indiana usa
    my amps are as old as i am they dont have a loop :)
     
  4. wabash slim

    wabash slim Friend of Fred

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    Gas, brakes, and clutch.
     
  5. nickurso

    nickurso Friend of Fred

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    I only use non master volume, non fx loop amps so up front. I’m old school
     
  6. HypotenusLuvTriangle

    HypotenusLuvTriangle Country Gent

    Oct 27, 2010
    Whittier, Ca
    I have a loop but when I throw modulators on there, I get odd clicking noises. Turns out it’s because all my pedals were using the same power source. For those on the loop, needed their own power source. And it just got to be a huge headache with cables so I just put everything up front.


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  7. thunder58

    thunder58 I Bleed Orange

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    get on the bicycle , kick up the kick stand , push a little and start peddling .... that's all I got :rolleyes:
     
  8. Charlie westside

    Charlie westside Synchromatic

    610
    Jul 27, 2018
    Sylmar Califirnia
    I also learned that lesson. Now like you I use two different power sources. The One Spot comes in handy.
     
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  9. loudnlousy

    loudnlousy Friend of Fred

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    Oct 18, 2015
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    I use effects very rarely.
    If I do, reverb and delay is in the loop. The rest is in front.
     
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  10. Tinman46

    Tinman46 Country Gent

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    Dec 19, 2011
    Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
    I have read many articles saying put any time based effects in the loop and everything else up front. That said I have no amps with an effects loop so everything's up front for me.
     
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  11. HypotenusLuvTriangle

    HypotenusLuvTriangle Country Gent

    Oct 27, 2010
    Whittier, Ca
    Yeah. I tried that. Takes extra cables and to run the loop and separate power sources. Ugh. Just a mess. A pedal board is supposed to make things more organized. I found myself with 5 connection cables for input / output and foot switch. And powering the loop fx by batteries would burn threw em. Sigh. Just slap it all in front.
    Wish I could use a wireless connector from pedal board to amp but that causes signal degradation as well.



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  12. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    if you mean time based effects there's no doubt in the loop sounds much better.
    Delay, reverb, chorus, tremolo, phaser, univibe etc all sound clearer and more articulate post pre amp imo.
    EQ and noise gate pedals work better in loop also cause they work on both the amp and everything on your pedal board.

    Every amp I've owned last 12 yrs has a good series loop.
    It's a deal breaker for me if an amp does not have one :)

    And you can retro fit an old amp with no loop with this Fryette Power Station.
    It attenuates, it amps up to 50w plus gives you an excellent series loop.
    http://www.fryette.com/power-station-integrated-reactance-amplifier/
     
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  13. audept

    audept Senior Gretsch-Talker

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    +1 !
     
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  14. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    I've never had to do that with any amp with loop.
    All my pedals are powered with the same power supply.

    Why yours has this issue is probably due to the quality of the loop on your amp, your cables, your power supply and/or the pedals you use. What do you mean by "modulators" ?
     
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  15. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    I've also never needed to run a separate power supply for pedals in the loop on the amps that have them. The vast majority of the time they've been powered by a Voodoo Lab, Cioks, or more recently Strymon PSUs though and isolated at least from the pedals not in the loop.
     
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  16. Charlie westside

    Charlie westside Synchromatic

    610
    Jul 27, 2018
    Sylmar Califirnia
    Excellent. I have been playing out of a Blackstar with an effects loop. I also use all time based effects in the loop.
    Thanks for the tip regarding the EQ and noise gate. I will try running those through the loop. It will be a first for me since I have always gone in through the front with those.
     
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  17. Charlie westside

    Charlie westside Synchromatic

    610
    Jul 27, 2018
    Sylmar Califirnia
    I
    have been using a powered AKG board. and had to use a separate power source for the pedals coming in through the front of my amp. The noise was irritating. But once I split up the power supply it stopped. I tried to save a buck by getting an already powered board and that was the outcome.
     
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  18. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    well like I said - there's issues there with either your power supply (usually non isolated inputs), cables or the quality of your loop. I've heard other people having hums and clicks. It can be easily fixed with good quality gear :)
     
  19. HypotenusLuvTriangle

    HypotenusLuvTriangle Country Gent

    Oct 27, 2010
    Whittier, Ca
    Sorry, by modulators, I meant time based effects that everyone was talking about.
    I use a blackstar amp. Fantastic amp. Cables are standard. I use a BBE SupaCharger with 8 outputs.
    But if the loop effects were plugged into it with the front line effects, I got that hum & click. When I switched to 9V batteries on the loop effects, it disappeared.


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  20. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    hmm your BBE looks ok
    http://www.bbesound.com/products/stomp-boxes/supa-charger.aspx

    I'd go looking at your amp, pedals and cables by process of elimination.
    You should not have this issue.
    Is it a series loop or parrellel.
     
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