Guitars made in Indonesia, Pt.1

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  1. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    Part 1 ) The Big Boys

    Over the last 10-15 years you may have noticed an increase of guitars labeled “Made in Indonesia”.

    Inevitably the question arises if they are any good, and comparisons are drawn with their Chinese and Korean counter parts, usually with a generous helping of sweeping generalisations. (I think this thread is not the time or place to offer my personal opinion on this, but rest assured, there will be one)

    What I mainly would like for this thread, is people to start realising these guitars are made by different factories, owned by different companies. So I thought I’d outline the big three, incidentally all Korean owned.

    P.T. Cort(or Cor-Tek) located in Ngoro, Mojokerto, near Surabaya, East Java. Operational since 1995.

    Arguably the biggest of the 3(or quite possibly in the world, together with Fender and Gibson).
    Reportedly Cort produces roughly 1 Million guitars a year, between their Korean, Chinese and Indonesian factories.
    Beside their own Cort branded guitars PT Cort manufactures for Ibanez, Fender/Squier(includes amps), G&L, Gretsch, Laguna, Avalon/Lowden, Music Man, Schecter, Lakland, Strandberg, EVH, Chapman and Jackson among others.


    P.T. Samick, in Cileungsi near Bogor, West Java, Indonesia. Operational since 1992.

    Current guitar production capacity 35000 guitars a month(420000 a year).
    PT Samick manufactures for Greg Bennett, Silvertone, Fender/Squier(includes acoustics), Epiphone, Cordoba, Washburn, and Hohner among others.

    P.T. Wildwood, Serang, Banten, east of Jakarta, West Java. Since 2006.
    PT Wildwood manufactures for Schecter, PRS(SE), D’Angelico, Yamaha, Fender, ESP(LTD), Supro, Jackson, and Dean among others.

    Note the brand overlap here. Several brands have(or had) their guitars made by different factories.

    If you’re wondering, “PT” is an acronym for Perseroan Terbatas, a business entity that is formed and acts per commercial law.
    Any Indonesian company receiving foreign investment must take the form of a PT.
    Note that by law, non-Indonesians can not own land or property in Indonesia.
     
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  2. blueruins

    blueruins Country Gent

    May 28, 2013
    Savannah, GA
    What Fender guitars are made in Indonesia?
     
  3. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    My Fender JA-90 Jim Adkins Tele. Other than that no idea.

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  4. TW4990

    TW4990 Gretschie

    222
    Aug 20, 2016
    Sydney Australia
    Pretty sure the FMT telecasters with the Seymour Duncan humbuckers are made in Indonesia.
     
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  5. thunder58

    thunder58 Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Interesting Part 1
     
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  6. JeffreyLeePierre

    JeffreyLeePierre Country Gent

    My Indonesian babe:
    Gretsch G2655T GoldDust800.jpg
    It's way more than "any good": incredible action, great quality.
    And thanks to you, I could see on Google maps exactly where it comes from.
     
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  7. hcsterg

    hcsterg Country Gent

    Feb 13, 2012
    France
    Gretsch whose serial number starts with KS are also made by Samick in Korea (K=Korea, S=Samick), according to the numbering tables found on GretschPages. Here are 2 examples of G5420LH :

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    A+!
     
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  8. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    What do you mean “also”? I’m strictly talking Indonesian guitar manufacturing.
     
  9. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    Tnx Rich. Just trying to add something useful to the internet.
    I made a factory list for Asian Epiphones once, which crops up everywhere.
    But I can’t add to it since I’m banned from both the Gibson/Epiphone forum and blocked from Wikipedia(for preposterous reasons).

    Edit: That is blocked from editing Wikipedia. I can still acces and read the pages.
     
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  10. JeffreyLeePierre

    JeffreyLeePierre Country Gent

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  11. hcsterg

    hcsterg Country Gent

    Feb 13, 2012
    France
    @Ricochet : Sorry, I simply didn't knew that Samick had also a factory in Indonesia :confused:. My Gretsch G100 RI and my 2 G5420LH all came from Samick, in Korea, hence my comment.

    My local dealer from which I will receive a CV 50 Squier Tele LH in February told me that these Indonesian Squier were from a lesser quality compared to the Chinese one... Myth or reality ? I don't know... o_O

    That said, my Supro Westbury LH is made in Indonesia and is flawless...

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    So according to your intro post informations, her serial number starting letters would mean :

    I = Indonesia
    W = P.T. Wildwood factory

    So would the rest of the S/N° (17060915) mean :

    1706 = June 2017 ?
    0915 = 915th instrument produced that year ?

    o_Oo_Oo_O

    A+!
     
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  12. DannyB

    DannyB Gretschie

    257
    Apr 26, 2019
    Michigan
    Hi, thanks for the informative post. My 2017 Gretsch Streamliner 2622LH was made in Indonesia and I have no problems with it. Great sounds, versatile, very light weight, love the Broad'tron pickups (they were designed in the United States by engineers for Fender Music, who now owns Gretsch), plus the guitar is great looking! Compares well with my American made Gibson SG! IMG_20190530_235323_hdr.jpg IMG_20190530_235726.jpg
     
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  13. DannyB

    DannyB Gretschie

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    Apr 26, 2019
    Michigan
    Love your guitars! Always nice to see a fellow lefty on the site!
     
  14. blueruins

    blueruins Country Gent

    May 28, 2013
    Savannah, GA
    :D This is the funniest thing I’ll see on the internet today.
     
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  15. LivingMyDream

    LivingMyDream Friend of Fred


    Ricochet, thanks for the information on Indonesian guitar manufacturing. It's cool to be able to connect the dots.​

    Thanks for the pic of the Cort facility, Jeffrey. It's a nice looking facility, in a very beautiful setting.
     
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  16. hcsterg

    hcsterg Country Gent

    Feb 13, 2012
    France
    Thank you @DannyB ! ;)

    So yes, Gretsch Streamliner are Indonesian-made - sorry again, I didn't knew this... :oops:

    Your G2622LH is now announced in a nice Gunmetal color (Grey-Blue metallic, it seems) :

    https://www.gretschguitars.com/gear...-block-with-v-stoptail-left-handed/2806320568

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    Every owner praises his Gretsch Streamliner, so it's tempting - at least as a mod platform...

    A+!
     
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  17. gjohnson441496

    gjohnson441496 Gretschie

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    Jan 2, 2018
    USA
  18. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    I haven’t looked into sn numbers, but reckon you’re correct here.
    CI for Cort Indonesia.
    Regarding our ’50s CV Tele... I expect the dealer to be right. But it’s the old adagio, what is Fender willing to pay, and what do they think customers are prepared to pay?
    If you look at the manufacturing list there is quite a few guitars selling well over the 1K price point. D’Angelico, Fender, Sandberg etc. Clearly the Indonesian factories can produce a respectable mid-tier guitar. So that is not the problem.
    I bought my 2 CVs around the 350 mark and in 10 years the prices increased until they were almost 500 bucks. Now they’re back to 300/400 so we know something had to give.
     
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  19. rake_ether

    rake_ether Electromatic

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    Aug 24, 2019
    Athens, GA USA
    Deciphering my Indonesian made Peavey JF-1 serial number is slightly more complex than Gretsch's. JF-1 Serial Number.jpg
     
  20. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    :D:p:cool:
     
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