G6139CB White Falcon Center Block - Typical weight? How about the all hollow?

Discussion in 'THE Gretsch Discussion Forum' started by DavidE, Oct 19, 2017.

  1. DavidE

    DavidE Electromatic

    44
    Mar 21, 2016
    Ohio
    My G6139CB arrived today. The seller told me it weighed less than 8 lbs. Unfortunately, it's close to 9 lbs (8 lb 14.4oz) which is tough on my neck and back (degenerative disc disease).

    Is that a pretty typical weight?

    How heavy/light are the fully hollow thicker white falcons with a bigsby?

    Thanks
     
  2. NickGretsch

    NickGretsch Synchromatic

    897
    Aug 30, 2011
    Cornwall, England
    Can't give any helpful info. However it sounds like the seller has somewhat mis-sold that Gretsch in stating it's lighter than advertised. Could you could return it?
     
  3. DavidE

    DavidE Electromatic

    44
    Mar 21, 2016
    Ohio
    Yes. In fact it's going back today. But what a guitar! Played sounded (TV Jones installed) and looked great. But I can't play a guitar that heavy for long.
     
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  4. bluenote23

    bluenote23 Country Gent

    Oct 17, 2009
    Montreal, Canada
    My 2008 Falcon (so the old hollow big body model with trestle bracing) is 7.8 lbs which is fairly hefty. Compare that to my G6119-1962 HT or my G6121 Jet Roundup with are both 6.8 lbs.
     
  5. DavidE

    DavidE Electromatic

    44
    Mar 21, 2016
    Ohio
    I have to say that I was sad to send it back. I've been coveting a White Falcon for 20 years or more. But as I walked out of physical therapy for my neck and back tonight, I knew I really didn't have a choice.
     
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  6. Henry

    Henry Gretschified

    Apr 9, 2014
    Petaluma
    See if you can find a junior size you like.
     
  7. NSM245

    NSM245 Synchromatic

    527
    May 7, 2011
    Scotland
    I also have a degenerative spinal condition, and had to let a Falcon go for exactly the same reasons. I tried several Gretsch pro-lines in an attempt to find one that my back could cope with and found that none of them were really suitable. I still have a Double Anniversary - it's lighter than all the others I tried but even that only gets played occasionally.

    In my case, although I too had coveted a Falcon for many years, I was always more interested in sound and playability rather than being tied to any one specific model. Having failed to find a pro-line Gretsch that I could cope with, I bought an Epiphone Casino, which weighed in around 6 lbs, and played it for years. It was a lovely guitar, I enjoyed it a lot but in due course, I lusted once more for the Gretsch sound so I bought an Electromatic, a G5122, and replaced the pickups with TVJones Classics. I also removed the Bigsby, which had never formed a major part of my playing so for me, it was no loss. The tone of the guitar after installing the Classics was virtually indistinguishable from the tone of the Falcon; I do a lot of recording, and have several recordings of the Falcon and of the 5122 - I would defy anyone to tell them apart on the recordings I have, the sound is virtually identical. The guitar suits me better than any previous Gretsch I've owned, it weighs under 7 lbs, and I wouldn't swap it for any pro-line guitar.
     
  8. garlicguru

    garlicguru Electromatic

    33
    Aug 31, 2014
    portland
    On July 1st, I was in an accident that pretty much ruined my left shoulder (I'm right handed). After over three months of therapy,
    I'm still unable to raise my left arm enough to grasp the neck; consequently my playing days are apparently over. The next step is
    to sell my guitars and find a new hobby. I will miss my instruments, but the Country Classic II is by far my favorite. I am considering
    keeping it for its visual appeal. I've always enjoyed just looking at it anyway. However, the wife thinks I'm "stupid and crazy" to even
    think of such a thing. "We can use the money", etc.
    Any thoughts?
     
  9. afire

    afire Country Gent

    Jeez. That sounds a bit insensitive. I think my wife would be okay with me keeping my guitar if my arms were amputated. She's sentimental, though. But you might actually be able to play again eventually, so you have an excuse.

    Back to the OP. I'd start shopping around aggressively. They vary enough that you can probably shave off a pound. Some shops list weights online, and I'm sure many more would weigh a guitar if you asked nicely. Music Zoo currently has a new Broadkaster that weighs in at 7 lbs. 12 oz. and they're structurally pretty similar to the CB WF. But if around 8 lbs. is still going to be too heavy for you, then maybe a CB model just isn't going to work. You won't find many Gibson ES-335s much under 8 lbs either.
     
  10. Bertotti

    Bertotti Country Gent

    Jul 20, 2017
    South Dakota
    There must be a way to suspend the guitar so it puts less stress on the upper back.
    How did ZZTop hold up the guitars they could spin? If you want to stand but what's wrong with sitting? I like playing while seated.
     
  11. Gretschman2

    Gretschman2 Country Gent

    Age:
    66
    Apr 8, 2013
    Enetai, WA
    I was hit by a car back in 82 that broke my left shoulder and it took me a year to be able to lift my arm straight out. I never got rid of my guitars but did take a couple of years hiatus from playing them until I could manage to play again. Sounds like your shoulder injury was worse than mine though, but what did your doctors have to say about how long it would take to recover? In my case, in addition to a bone break the tendons and ligaments were damaged due to severe dislocation and it was getting those healed up and back into shape that took so long. Glad to hear that you plan on keeping at least one guitar, because you never know, you may be able to play again eventually.
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2017
  12. CatTones

    CatTones Gretschie

    285
    Jul 28, 2017
    Boston
    worked fine for BB
     
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  13. Gretschman2

    Gretschman2 Country Gent

    Age:
    66
    Apr 8, 2013
    Enetai, WA

    Yep, I'm a sitter too. No shame in that if the back and neck can't tolerate playing while standing (which mine can't). At least you can still play if sitting down.
     
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  14. Henry

    Henry Gretschified

    Apr 9, 2014
    Petaluma
    Practically, he didn't have much of a choice.
     
  15. Uncle Daddy

    Uncle Daddy Friend of Fred

    Jan 19, 2012
    Maldon UK
    I've owned two ultra light hollowbodies. One was an Epiphone Sorrento, the reissue with the Gibson minibucker. Lighter than light. The other I still have, which is my Guild X175B, which I just weighed at about 6.5 lb
     
  16. hcsterg

    hcsterg Country Gent

    Feb 13, 2012
    France
    Fortunately, I do not suffer (yet - but I hope never) dorsal problems...

    I weighted all my guitars some years ago, in working order, without strap, all with the same electronic scale.

    Gretsch section :

    G5435TLH = 3.9kg
    G5420TLH = 3.3kg
    G5622TLH = 4.2kg
    G6119(T)LH = 3.6kg
    G100(+MOAS PU) = 2.9kg
    G400 = 3.0kg

    In comparison :

    Gibson ES335-TD 1980 LH with B7 = 4.2kg
    Fender US Std Strat 2012 LH = 3.6kg
    Squier Std Strat 2009 LH = 3.7kg

    (1 lb = 0.453kg)

    A+!
     
  17. Henry

    Henry Gretschified

    Apr 9, 2014
    Petaluma
    My anni jr is 6.5 lbs and perfectly balanced. Best feeling guitar for wearing I've tried. I don't think I will ever again get a guitar much over 7.5 lbs.
     
  18. DavidE

    DavidE Electromatic

    44
    Mar 21, 2016
    Ohio
    Thanks for all the input. I'm finding many nice Gretsch proline guitars under 7.5 lbs. I already have some VERY light guitars, but they're not a real gretsch.
     
  19. Aymara

    Aymara Friend of Fred

    Jul 6, 2013
    Germany
    Play sitting, problem solved. Seasick Steve prooved, that it even can look pretty cool ;)
     
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  20. hogrider16

    hogrider16 Gretschie

    299
    Oct 18, 2017
    charles town wv
    I'd keep one guitar. I had a motorcycle accident about 10 years ago. I almost lost my left leg. I kept up my physical therapy and made slow and steady progress for years. I go in for a checkup every few years and my doctor still can't believe how well I'm doing. They weren't sure I'd ever walk again. I'm not running any marathons, but I lead a mostly normal life.

    Nobody really knows how much of a recovery you will make. Unless you give up, there's always a chance you will continue to make progress.
     
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