G5655 Bigsby

Discussion in 'Electromatic Gretsch Forum' started by twang46, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. twang46

    twang46 Electromatic

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    I'm wondering about the break angle on the Bigsby B70 as supplied as it feels a bit harsh for my taste

    Has anybody fitted a B3 Bigsby for example ?

    Cheers

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  2. vyndance

    vyndance Gretschie

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    The B70 is to much break and the B3 is not enough. I fought the B70 chigsby on my older Korean 5655. Locking tuners, nut, bridge and anything else I could think of. The thing that made that guitar a joy to play is pictured below. 20180414_142147.jpg
     
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  3. section2

    section2 Country Gent

    Dec 21, 2016
    Toronto
    I've always found the break angle on the B7/B70 to be too steep. The B3 might work for you, or it might be too shallow. You can test this by running your strings overtop of the tension-roller on your B70. If the break angle is good, then you can leave the strings that way or replace the B70 with a B3. But using a B3 would leave visible holes in the top of your guitar where the B70 was mounted.

    The best solution here is to order a Brick's BiggsFix tuning stabilizer. It replaces the tension-roller on your Bigsby with a better-made version which gives you smoother action and a shallower break angle. It's made by a fellow forum member. If you order one, make sure you get the model for licenced Bigsbys, not the one for US-made Bigsbys.

    While you're at it, you can replace the Bigsby spring with his Super Squishy Spring. It makes a world of difference to the action on the Bigsby.
     
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  4. twang46

    twang46 Electromatic

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    That's what I was looking for

    I knew of the Towner system but the link you posted looks the way to go.

    Thank you

    D.
     
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  5. section2

    section2 Country Gent

    Dec 21, 2016
    Toronto
    The Towner system is fantastic for Bigsbys without tension-rollers. I used it with a B3 on my G2655 and loved it. For guitars that are already outfitted with tension-roller Bigsbys, the BiggsFix is the way to go.
     
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  6. twang46

    twang46 Electromatic

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    I've ordered the BiggsFix (& spring).................. only downside is the around $35 that will be levied by the taxman & the couriers "handling charge"

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  7. hcsterg

    hcsterg Country Gent

    Feb 13, 2012
    France
    Well, I don't know the shape of the top of the G5655T, but if it is the same as a G5435 or G5220, putting a B3 without any accessories is doable - but it is not a simple swap : you need to work your tremolo shape adequately to win the mms necessary to obtain the fateful break angle at circa 7°...

    Here's what I did with success on my G5220LH :

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    That said, if your guitar already had a B7 or B70, @section2 is right : the BBF solutions are the way to go satisfactorily !

    A+!
     
  8. twang46

    twang46 Electromatic

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    Thanks for the info hc, that is a cool looking "custom jet" you have :)

    I had considered buying a B3 & adjusting the contour as you have but it is after all a budget guitar that sells in the UK @ $1,000 so any mods need to be cost effective & as I have already replaced the bridge, adding the cost of the BBF shipped to the UK does not leave too much room for any more improvements without getting into a situation where (in this case) I would have been better off looking for a used 6121.

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  9. hcsterg

    hcsterg Country Gent

    Feb 13, 2012
    France
    Indeed ! The cost of a G5220 is not the cost of a G5655T also... If your guitar has a B70, fine : BBF offers the matching ball bearing front roller kit in 2 versions : normal and surelevated.

    I used the normal version on many of my guitars with B5 and B7 with complete success, so in a version or another, it will be efficient on your G5655T. No hassle...

    A+!
     
  10. twang46

    twang46 Electromatic

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  11. twang46

    twang46 Electromatic

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    The BBF arrived & I found it very easy to fit.
    I just slackened the strings & fitted it without removing anything along with fitting the softer spring.

    One question I do have, it seems that the recommended method of fitting is to leave some slack on the roller mounting brackets to allow some movement of the roller assembly ?

    Not for me, I found the angle that suited me ( a couple of degrees back from vertical ) & locked up the roller in that position.

    What have you guys done with this .....leave some play or tighten to a suitable position ?

    I was a bit apprehensive about the extra roller "getting in the way" but in practice I forgot it was there after a few minutes.

    The guitar now stays in tune so much better than before & seems to play better as well......happy days :)

    But for me, the star of the show is the replacement spring "super squishy" indeed. :D
    In my opinion absolutely essential for a Bigsby whether the US versions or the licensed variety.

    Time to enjoy playing the guitar now for a while before I start some more "improvements"....wiring/tuners/fit the vintage TVJ Dynasonic to the neck position


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