Five myths about rock-and-roll

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  1. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck Gretschified

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    Is that the longest thread in GT history?
     
  2. MartyT

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    That's true. And in this case, I'm not in a position to judge her earnestness..... although I could venture a guess.

    She's well suited for the Washington Post. I'm going to leave it at that.

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  3. pmac11

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    The Rolling Stones...the name itself was derived from the lyrics of a Muddy Waters song.

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  4. slimwilson

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    Or the Maddox Brothers and Rose!

    That's a highly fallacious statement to say r'n'r is strictly black cause something like Rockabilly exists. Which, sometimes the line between those 2 genres is highly blurred. R'n'R wouldn't exist without elements of country music (fact). While we're at it, Jazz wouldn't exist without Italian immigrants into New Orleans, and the blues wouldn't exist without the proto-country folk music of the group of people we in the south know as the "Scotch-Irish". These are also facts. Fact of the matter is, the popular landscape of music of the of the 20th century is pretty equally distributed between the races with all borrowing from each other to explore new musical landscapes. To say other wise is, my apologies, ignorant and/or agenda driven. While we're at it, Hispanics, specifically Mexicans, have added some good twists to r'n'r etc.
     
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  5. calebaaron666

    calebaaron666 Country Gent

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    Wow, didn’t I strike a nerve here. Haha
    I didn’t say it was “strictly” black. I said it comes from blues. OBVIOUSLY there are many elements mixed in, BUT the blues being the foundation is undeniable. Rhythm and blues meets country meets folk meets whatever...

    And it’s SCOTTS Irish, not scotch Irish.
     
  6. slimwilson

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    As well as country/western (swing) being another foundation. No nerves struck, just stating the facts cause both groups deserve their recognition for their contributions, that's all.

    Side note, Scotch-Irish is the accepted, and prevailing terminology in the USA. It's not looked upon as fondly on the other side of the pond. Scots is their preferred nom de guerre.
     
  7. calebaaron666

    calebaaron666 Country Gent

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    Well, i have no “agenda”. Just Giving my 2¢ as others have throughout this entire thread.

    Rock n’ Roll is the perfect soundtrack to the American experiment because it’s more than the sum of it’s parts. It successfully mixed cultures in 4/4 time. It was a true “melting pot”, if you will, at a time when society was NOT ready to do the same..... on a foundation built of Rhythm and blues.
     
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  8. Henry

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    Yea, but grumpy old men are best at it. I am sure when people posting here were in their 20s they deferred to old people about music. ;)
     
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  9. Scott Fraser

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    'Scots' & 'Scottish' are the adjectives, 'Scotch' is the beverage.
     
  10. Jelly Roll Horton

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    Actually Scots-Irish. That’s my primary heritage. :) And we have to include Native Americans in the roots.
     
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  11. Scott Fraser

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    It absolutely is derived from the blues. All American popular music genres derive from a hybrid of blues with other influences mixed into the gumbo.

    That may be, but that doesn't alter musical history. If you play rock & roll, you're playing a music which derived from the blues. If you're playing music which has no connection whatsoever to the blues, you're not playing rock & roll.

    None of which alters the basic facts of how rock & roll came about. Bach preceded Philip Glass, but they are both points along the same evolutionary river.
     
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  12. Howard hughes

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    ok brother!
     
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  13. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck Gretschified

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    Well, this thread went in a direction I didn't expect.
     
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  14. calebaaron666

    calebaaron666 Country Gent

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    Haha suuuuure you didn’t.
    Whenever the subject drifts from guitars there’s a potential for chaos!
     
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  15. pmac11

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    Doesn't do it justice to simply refer to it as a beverage...

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  16. pmac11

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    Rock and roll was black slang for copulating. At the very least the name of the genre came from that community.

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  17. Scott Fraser

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    An adult beverage then?
     
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  18. Filtertronico

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    Well, there are indeed lots of myths about R'n'R...but fact is it definitely sounds better with a Gretsch!
     
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  19. drmilktruck

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    Amen to that!