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Fender Launches The Hand-Wired '64 Custom Blackface Deluxe Reverb Amp

Discussion in 'Ampage Area' started by ZackyDog, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Country Gent

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    Nice; but I wish that it employed an alnico Jensen.

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  2. MotorCentaur

    MotorCentaur Gretschie

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    I would like to see an actual picture of the guts of one of these handwired's.
    The pic Zacky posted is of an original Blackface. I recognize it by all those Astron blue caps...

    I've been lucky enough to find really nice originals at comparable prices...
     
  3. Uncle Daddy

    Uncle Daddy Country Gent

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    Will it still have a cardboard cab, and Chinese transformers?
     
  4. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Country Gent

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    The pic I took is directly from the Fender website.
     
  5. Tony65x55

    Tony65x55 Gretschified

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    Featuring Bright and Normal channels, all-tube-driven spring reverb and tremolo on both channels, hand-wired AB763 circuitry and 20 watts of output power, the ’64 Custom Deluxe Reverb is the go-to amp for warm, clean tones and moderate breakup.

    The cabinet that holds the 12” Jensen C-12Q speaker is crafted from solid pine for improved resonance and lighter weight, and features an extra-heavy textured vinyl covering and lightly-aged silver grille cloth for a picture-perfect vintage look. The amplifier also includes Fender Vintage Blue tone capacitors, four 12AX7 and two 12AT7 preamp tubes, a 5AR4/GZ34 rectifier tube, a matched pair of 6V6 output tubes, as well as a footswitch and amp cover. Available September 2017.
     
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  6. russmack

    russmack Gretschie

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    Funnily enough, I'm in the process of buying a Fender Deluxe Custom Reverb amp.

    Right now.

    As I understand things it will come with a printed circuit board. Which may or not be the bee's knees.

    Hand-wired sounds too good to be true. And, what's the quality like?

    That's a curve-ball indeed.

    Russ
     
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  7. emicad

    emicad Synchromatic

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    What about the price? Modern PCB amps (think Fender, Vox etc.) sound good and are not TOO MUCH pricey.
    Once that price range changes it's better to go boutique instead of buying a hand wired version, IMHO.
     
  8. zebulon

    zebulon Gretschie

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    PCB is a tone vampire. fender and vox should not use it at all.
     
  9. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Country Gent

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    I have this book, and I distinctly remember the author saying that "a PCB acts like a capacitor". That said, I've played through a lot of VOX amps that are PCB, and they sound really good.

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  10. kbcarroll

    kbcarroll Electromatic

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    I've been saying for years that it's absolutely criminal that all fender's new black/silverface amps have PCB circuitry in them at that price. The markup on those is just outrageous and they're all ticking timebombs just jogging their way to an expensive repair. If you actually use them for work, they're not jogging to it, they're sprinting.

    But then if you want a new amp under warranty that's hand wired, you pay through the nose for some tiny boutique builder to basically deliver you his slightly altered version of a vintage fender circuit in the cab of his choosing for about double the price of just going out and buying an actual original fender and having a tech run through it for you.

    I applaud fender for actually building a real handwire, but that price is insane. It's the exact same price as a very clean REAL blackface Deluxe. What's the point!? Cork sniffers won't buy this because it's new. Working musicians won't buy this because it's too expensive.

    Long story short, my contention is they should scrap their entire "reissue" line as-is and just build them all handwired in Mexico or China and sell them for the same price as they currently do. $1100 for a PCB time bomb that was 'built in america' or $1100 for a handwire that was built across the border? I'll roll the dice on that handwire any day of the week. I used to be a snob about country of origin but the stuff coming out of Mexico and (especially) China has changed my mind. They're building fantastic stuff. Amps don't require anywhere near the precision as a guitar and its neck.
     
  11. Tony65x55

    Tony65x55 Gretschified

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    I would expect it will be very good, it's not like Fender doesn't know how to build a great amp.

    I own (or have owned) Deluxe Reverbs in the '65 blackface reissue, the '68 Custom, a real Silverface (1975) and a blackface hand wired clone in the form of a Marsh Clifton. The only one I sold was the '65 Reissue, not because it sounded bad but because we just didn't bond. The '68 Custom is a sweetheart and is almost the equal of the Silverface. The Marsh is a step above that and sounds like choirs of angels singing.

    If the Fender is indeed a handwired blackface clone it will be a mighty contender in the amp market.

    BTW, the Marsh also allows you to use the Vibrato and Reverb on both channels.
     
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  12. hcsterg

    hcsterg Country Gent

    Feb 13, 2012
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    IMHO, and without boasting intentions, Mr Ritchie Flieger doesn't exactly represent the "ultimate trustable technical advice" about tube amplifiers, despite he wrotes many interesting books on amps an other.

    But it's me, OK :D ?

    I mean : a well-designed, well-built, double-sided (or not) PCB doesn't acts as a capacitor. Many hand-wired boutique amps, particularly the ones with "long and airy angled" wires, are worse. And what about the capacity of the shielded cables, including the jack cord that you use with your guitar ?

    But yes, if you look and analyse the PCB of a Fender Blues Junior 1st series, you understand why this amp sounds quite poorly and have a tendency to parasitic oscillations : there's too many unwanted couplings (not to say forbidden) in the traces design.

    The "topology" of the PCB is of a major importance, as well as in an handwired circuit. And yes again, there's fortunately good sounding PCB-made amplifiers ! Handwired doesn't mean necessarily "good"...

    Yes, I agree. Add to Fender in that field : Marshall JVMs, Engl Screamers... I would even say that the Fender RI amps are probably not even the worse !

    Well, I would say that, at least, this is not the same kind of "precision" (think af a HIWATT, for example).

    A+!
     
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  13. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Country Gent

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    I guess I was lucky. When I had one about 20 years ago, I thought it had a nice vintage-type sound/tone.
     
  14. Tony65x55

    Tony65x55 Gretschified

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    One major Canadian retailer is showing the price at $3379.99. That better be a really good amp, they're awfully proud of it.

    Is it just me or is that stupid expensive for a bunch of tubes and wires?
     
  15. emicad

    emicad Synchromatic

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    Extremely stupid, in my opinion.
     
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  16. wabash slim

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    $3400?!?! That's what I paid for my Jeep. A Deluxe Reverb is a superb amp, one of the best all around amps on the market. This version is too pricey for my wallet.
     
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  17. Tony65x55

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    That was kinda my thought. Maybe it's just the suggested list? They don't actually have one yet.
     
  18. Rikki Ericson

    Rikki Ericson Gretschie

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    Yah, well, low interest rates currently guys. Anyone can take out a loan and buy one, take photographs, post them on the net and say 'look at me, I've got one of these!'

    Some people love that sort of thing. Wouldn't give it houseroom. Ridiculous money.

    (Pedal Friendly??? Ahaaahaahahah! )
     
  19. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Country Gent

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    It's a very labor intensive product, more so than the same amp that uses a printed circuit board. And it's made in the USA. American labor is more expensive than (for example) Chinese labor.

    It seems a bit high priced, but the market may be willing to bear the price. If not, it could decrease in time.
     
  20. Rikki Ericson

    Rikki Ericson Gretschie

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    'I've got a hand wired '64 Deluxe. It sounds great with my Ibanez tube-screamer.'

    You bet there's a market.
     
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