Egnater fizzled

Discussion in 'Ampage Area' started by mbkri, Nov 9, 2019.

  1. mbkri

    mbkri Country Gent

    Sep 22, 2012
    Chicago
    My Egnater Rebel was ticking along just fine as the gritty dry undercurrent behind my AC30 with the wet sound from my pedalboard.
    Then, on a whim i started playing a dynasonic jet through it And it sounded AWFUL. Metallic, harsh, tinny, shrill, unlistenable.
    I bought it used in June so i wondered if the tubes were shot. Tried the “tap them with a pencil” test on the power tubes and switched them all out..... but now its dead as a doornail. Silent. Only the power light works. And the tubes glow. Silently.
    Fuse? Can it be anything else? And the awful tinny sound.... preamp tubes?
    Cant see me putting a lot of money into having this fixed. Its going to cost about $150 for tubes.
     
  2. wabash slim

    wabash slim Friend of Fred

    Age:
    70
    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    Start your troubleshooting with the preamp tubes first. If the light's on, the fuse should be good. If the power tubes are glowing, they may not be the problem.
     
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  3. mbkri

    mbkri Country Gent

    Sep 22, 2012
    Chicago
    should have started there instead of the power tubes i guess. Thanks WS. Getting a new set to put in tomorrow
     
  4. wabash slim

    wabash slim Friend of Fred

    Age:
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    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    Go for the cheap and easy fix first. It could also be a cap gone bad somewhere. Even so, you'll have spare tubes.
     
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  5. Dennison

    Dennison Country Gent

    Jul 17, 2011
    Kent, UK
    How old is the amp? Google "Egnater transformer problem". Lots of stuff there. Best of luck.
     
  6. mbkri

    mbkri Country Gent

    Sep 22, 2012
    Chicago
    Its a mark 1 version. No idea how old though. I will look at transformer articles and see. Im not AT ALL electronically minded so anything beyond changing Tubes and fuses is going to be done by someone else.
     
  7. mbkri

    mbkri Country Gent

    Sep 22, 2012
    Chicago
    Wow. Seems like theres a massive amount of disgruntled Egnater users and rave reviews for Egnater amps that work like they should.
    AND a lot of people doing electronic tests that i dont know how to do. I might take this to a technician before i even buy new tubes. Sounds like theres the possibility for a huge range of solutions and Egnater tech support on a second hand amp isnt going to be worth trying.
     
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  8. wabash slim

    wabash slim Friend of Fred

    Age:
    70
    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    Better safe than sorry!
     
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  9. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    I had both Rebel 20 and 30 mark 1 versions.
    No issues on either ever.
    My amp tech did advise me to increase the capacity of the stock fuse though to avoid future issues. It cost 50c.

    Which Rebel have you got?
    Egnater tech support will give you advice if you contact them but sounds like a cheap fix with a good amp tech :)
     
  10. mbkri

    mbkri Country Gent

    Sep 22, 2012
    Chicago
    I have a rebel 20 mark 1
    I think a trip to a good amp tech is the best route. I have $400 in it including the 1 x12 cab so if i have to spend another couple of hundred to get it sounding great then im ok with that. But if i try to fix this myself im going to spend 6 weeks tinkering and wasting my time and money trying this and that instead of playing the guitar, or worse still im going to kill myself by touching something i shouldnt have.
     
  11. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    Loved my R20 :)
    I'm not tech savi to do anything more than tubes and fuses myself either.
    So I take to my amp tech when needed.
    I'd expect yours to be a cheap fix :)
     
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  12. Tony65x55

    Tony65x55 Gretschified

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    Sep 23, 2011
    The 'Shwa, Ontario, Canada
    I've owned a few Egnaters without a speck of trouble. I think the transformer issue has probably been "internet overplayed" on some of the forums. For sure, some folks have had the issue but I think you'll find that most folks have had positive experiences.

    I certainly did. I'm quite fond of their products. Good sounding and reasonably priced.
     
  13. markeebee

    markeebee Country Gent

    Not if it's the HV fuse that's gone, which is a fairly likely scenario.
     
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  14. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
    Florida
    I’ve been interested in the Rebel 20 and 30 for some time. One of a handful of amps on the consideration list to purchase next year. This thread inspires me to purchase new for the warranty just in case.

    I hope it’s an easy fix. Please post after they figure it out on the cause. Thanks.
     
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  15. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    Both excellent amps imo - super versatile, light weight, sound great at bedroom levels and cheap. I preferred Rebel 30 for it's extra features :)
    Both better than anything Fender, Marshall or Vox make under 30w imo
     
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  16. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
    Florida
    That’s a great point, to include the bonus of the second channel too.
     
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  17. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
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  18. mbkri

    mbkri Country Gent

    Sep 22, 2012
    Chicago
    Well initial diagnostic investigations from the amp tech seem to indicate a faulty HV quick blow fuse housing. The fuse isnt blown but the contact isnt completing the circuit.....
    So that part is really cheap and hopefully will get the amp running again but also provide better, clean consistent power to the tubes. Fingers crossed. Should hear back in a few days.
     
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  19. BrianW

    BrianW Synchromatic

    680
    Oct 21, 2014
    Vancouver Island
    Going with the tech instead of trying to electrocute yourself sounds like it came out for the best! Seems like he got to the problem right off, without costing a lot (I am going to assume for now there isn't more to it - and the fuse housing would have required a fix even if there is more)
    Kind of reinforces something my father used to say: "the difference between someone that knows what they are doing and someone who doesn't is the one that knows starts with the easy stuff". I don't think I really let that sink in - I always seem to do it the other way around :oops:

    Hopefully you will be back making noise in no time!
     
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  20. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    yes agree and there's a shorter summery from Clint - "Every man's gotta know his limitations" :)
     
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