DeArmond Model 2000 pickups: everything you need to know

Discussion in 'THE Gretsch Discussion Forum' started by ZackyDog, Sep 1, 2019.

  1. audept

    audept Senior Gretsch-Talker

    Dec 1, 2010
    Sydney, Australia
    No, the T-Armonds still have plenty of highs. I think the 'twang" may be a more pronounced frequency response peak in the 2 - 4kHz region, although this is just supposition on my part based on years of equalizing sound systems by ear. I think there must be more than just frequency response contributing to the tone that we refer to as "twang" and it may be more related to magnetic properties and construction. @TV the Wired Turtle may be able to shed more light on this.
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  2. TV the Wired Turtle

    TV the Wired Turtle Gretschified

    Jul 25, 2009
    so cal
    dunno if this has been posted but its from the horses mouth so to speak:
    a post by Bill Turner who worked on the design at Fender:

    "Here's the story. The De Armond 2K and 2000 are wholly different animals. The 2K is configured like a P-90. Marketing wanted to create a jazz style pickup for the DeArmond guitars, and wanted to use the 2000 format. Personally, I would have liked to seen us release a RI 2000 to the market on a MIA guitar initially. This would have avoided some of the confusion that now exists between the models.

    The De Armond guitar line took priority, and that meant that the 2K was developed first. There were no plans from marketing at the time to further develop the 2000.

    As the 2k model began to come together, I and a good friend in R&D went ahead and designed parts for the 2000, and added these to the final set of drawings. Although there were no plans to use the parts that were designed for the 2000, they would be there when the time came.

    The opportunity came last year when Gretsch approached Fender about using the 2K on thier guitars. Gretsch assumed that the pickup we were making for De Armond was a 2000 type model, and yes, it looks like one, but we knew that the 2K would not compliment the original Gretsch sound. This gave us the chance to push for the production of the 2000 and deliver it to Gretsch in the original 2000 config. The distiguishing feature for the Gretsch`s is that the 2000 does not sport the De Armond logo.

    As we began to produce the 2000, interest grew to include the Guild Custom Shop, The Fender Custom Shop, and Guild guitars. So far, the exposure for the 2000 has been limited, but we are trying to expand it`s role on the guitar.

    As I said, the 2K is configured like a P-90. The pole pieces and pole adjust screws are steel. The poles extend through the bobbin where they are trapped between a pair of like pole Alnico 5 bar magnets. The bobbin is surrounded by a thin steel U channel from below the bobbin to enhance the pickups inductance.

    DC resistance: 7.4K Inductance: 6 Henries 43 gage magnet wire

    The sound is like a P-90, in that it is a very fat single coil, but not quite as heavy as a P-90.

    The 2000 uses only 1/4 inch Alnico 5 pole pieces in the bobbin, the sound is bright with that great rockabilly snap.

    DC resistance: 8.85K Inductance: 3.55 Henries 44 gage magnet wire

    Hope this does it.

    Bill Turner"
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  3. drmilktruck

    drmilktruck Gretschified

    May 17, 2009
    Plymouth, MN
    The classic HiLo Tron sound:

  4. dreamingGretsch

    dreamingGretsch Gretschie

    Oct 12, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    Wow! I learned something new today! I was all about Filtertrons, until I heard a demo of a Country Club with Dynas on it, and it sounded really nice!

    Has anyone fitted these pickups on a Casino?

    I emailed TV jones and they said that the T-Armonds (English mount) must be purchased with the EM3 Dog ear pickup rings.. My question is, are these as straightforward as I think it is?
  5. Uncle Daddy

    Uncle Daddy Friend of Fred

    Jan 19, 2012
    Maldon UK
    Doesn't the Casino have that funny angled front pickup? A regular doggy may not be low enough to clear the strings.
  6. dreamingGretsch

    dreamingGretsch Gretschie

    Oct 12, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    Yeah, but will it be the same for a T-armond, mounted on a EM3 dogear pickup ring that they supply?
  7. Uncle Daddy

    Uncle Daddy Friend of Fred

    Jan 19, 2012
    Maldon UK
    If it's like a height adjustable humbucker, only with a dog ear ring, then it should probably be ok.
  8. Alanqa

    Alanqa Electromatic

    Aug 22, 2019
    Lancashire UK
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