Am I getting OCD? Mud switch question...

Discussion in 'Technical Side of Things' started by snakestretcher, Apr 7, 2020.

  1. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Gretschie

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    Sep 7, 2009
    England
    I recently found a 2003 model 6120-1960 in almost mint condition, but the mud switch appears to have been wired so that maximum mud is in the fully down position. I'm assuming fully up is the standard configuration throughout the Gretsch family. My 'logic' suggests it would be a relatively simple matter to just turn the entire thing through 180. So, how can I do that without the entire assembly dropping into the body? Or should I just quit obsessing over inconsequential trivia and accept it as just another Gretsch quirk?;)
    Thank you.
     
  2. jarrodtaylor

    jarrodtaylor Gretschie

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    Mar 14, 2019
    Delray Beach, FL
    If the wires are long enough you can. Loosen the nut, turn the switch, and retighten.

    If the wires are too short or the soldering is bad it might stop working.
     
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  3. stevo

    stevo Friend of Fred

    May 1, 2012
    Atlanta
    Sometimes, perfect is the enemy of good.
     
  4. Hydroman

    Hydroman Gretschie

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    Feb 29, 2016
    FUNtucky, Ca.
    The dreaded Mud Switch...
     
  5. Wozob

    Wozob Country Gent

    Jul 6, 2014
    The Netherlands
    I think the mud switch is correct. Middle position is bypass and the only position that is usable. Up is medium mud. Down is maximum mud. Again, down and up are actually trivial, don’t use these positions.
    But, my Gretsches with mudswitches might be duds as well. Doesn’t really matter. I only use the middle position.
     
  6. loudnlousy

    loudnlousy Friend of Fred

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    Sounds correct to me.
     
  7. wabash slim

    wabash slim Gretschified

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    Feb 10, 2010
    lafayette in
    Actually, OCD ought to be CDO.
     
  8. KuKuKu

    KuKuKu Gretschie

    404
    Aug 28, 2016
    Germany
    Well, on my SSLVO down is half mud and up is full mud, middle position is bypass. I have it down always.
     
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  9. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    Well I never use the mud switch anyways :eek:
    If you do does it matter which way it moves?
    Either way it's an easy fix
     
  10. G5422T

    G5422T Country Gent

    May 24, 2012
    usa
    Both of my "mudders" are full mud in the up position.

    Full mud+bridge pup+Marshall= heaven for me.

    I'm a mudder lover.

    20200113_152322.jpg
     
  11. tartanphantom

    tartanphantom Friend of Fred

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    Jul 30, 2008
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    exact same for me.
     
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  12. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
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    I’ve seen it both ways. The only guitar in my fleet with an operable mudswitch is my G6119-1962 and up is the medium position, centered is bypass (full treble) and down is the darker tone.


    With the cap values Gretsch currently uses the presets are a lot better than they used to be.
     
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  13. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    ok wasn't aware they changed the cap values.
    My Jet is a 2004 model so hopefully the newer models have a more usable mud switch
     
  14. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
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    By a long shot. The old values were for that “woofy” tone some ‘50s jazzers used. They were great for that, but overall, pretty useless.
     
  15. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    yeah woofy is how I'd describe it :eek:
    I did use it "up" when I played in a trad jazz band for 2 yrs but since then .... never
     
  16. G5422T

    G5422T Country Gent

    May 24, 2012
    usa
    Don't tell Stills that! Lol

    At the 4:10 mark. '58 Falcon/mud/Marshall



    And a little more Falcon/mud/Marshall

     
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  17. tartanphantom

    tartanphantom Friend of Fred

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    Jul 30, 2008
    Murfreesboro, TN
    Yes, cap values were all over the place depending on the era.

    The earliest mud switches (late 1957-1960) often had cap values of 0.05mfd (some mud) and 0.10mfd (mud-o-rama), which resulted in tones from "amp under a blanket" mud to "amp under a stack of 10 mattresses" mud.

    Things improved slightly in the Baldwin era (did I just say that?) when cap values were usually 0.022mfd and 0.05mfd, which was an improvement in usability, but still pretty darn muddy by Gretsch tone expectations.

    Modern FMIC-era cap values are 0.0039mfd (just a smidge of mud) and 0.012mfd (more mud, but not as offensive as the Brooklyn era), which are totally usable, and pretty darn good "pre-sets" for my usage applications.
     
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  18. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    My mud switch moves left or right?
     
  19. Synchro

    Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tucson
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    That’s pretty much my take on it, too. I use the 0.0039 setting occasionally. Rarely, I may use the 0.012 setting, but it’s not something I do often. The only place I could imagine it being useful would be in a small club, playing Jobim tunes. Man, I wish I was in a nice little club playing Jobim tunes. :)

    Just have to be different, don’t you? :)
     
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  20. Waxhead

    Waxhead Country Gent

    Aug 30, 2014
    Australia
    yeah that's it.
    Worst I've ever heard Stills sound :eek::p
     
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