After a while , when you get down to it ....." gear is gear "

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  1. thunder58

    thunder58 Super Moderator Staff Member

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    So what do you think of the title of this thread ?
    Do you think when you get down to it .... rock bottom ..... after a while , gear is just gear , it's all the same

    This got me thinking after my Joyo Flanger died . Did I just get a lemon ? How many Joyo Flangers really die .
    One time my dryer stoped , it was the motor . Repair man came and put a " brand new out of the box " motor in . A week later the dryer stoped again . He came back , another motor , worked for years ... hey , it happens . I got a lemon of a motor . ( maybe like my Flanger ) .

    I think sometimes , weather you have a Chevrolet or a Rolls Royce , the speed limit is still 55 , no matter what . Nice car or a bucket of bolts , you still get from point A to point B . Chevy or Rolls Royce / Joyo or Strymon , is it just status ???

    So what do you think ? When you get down to it ...... is gear just gear ???

    ( fire away )
     
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  2. Armygirl

    Armygirl Country Gent

    Mar 14, 2014
    Edinburgh
    Yes... but some gear is much prettier than other gear!

    Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
     
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  3. calebaaron666

    calebaaron666 Country Gent

    Aug 15, 2018
    Portland, Maine
    I have a joyo vintage overdrive pedal (poor man’s tube screamer TS9). I’ve compared it side by side with a real TS9, and decided the joyo sounded way better to my ears.

    It’s no longer on my pedalboard because I got sick of the mid boost when I stomped it on, but I’m in no rush to get rid of it because I’m sure I can find a use for it again someday. Also, it’s a $30 pedal brand new, ain’t gonna get me much if I were to try and sell it.
     
  4. JeffreyLeePierre

    JeffreyLeePierre Synchromatic

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    You're absolutely right.
    Let's swap my Washburn for one of your Martin.
     
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  5. thunder58

    thunder58 Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm sure a great sound man like @audept can make your Washburn sound like a Martin ...... what , what did I just say ??????
     
  6. Floo

    Floo Country Gent

    Dec 16, 2012
    Elmshorn, Germany
    On one hand, gear is just "things". Most modern guitars and effects can be replaced easily. On the other hand, the one guitar that gets you hooked may not be replaced, just because some of minor differences to its siblings, and just that one sounds and feels right.
    But after all, if it's a Danelectro or a PRS, whatever makes you feel good and whatever gets you close to the sound you want to create is the right piece of gear.
     
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  7. Ricochet

    Ricochet I Bleed Orange

    Nov 13, 2009
    Monkey Island
    I know what your saying, and I can agree, but would make the distinction between my gear and other people's gear. Not that my gear is better. It's simply a comfort or feel thing that brings forth confidence. Hand me a guitar I've never played and I'd probably feel lost(it has happened).
     
  8. CousinWarsh

    CousinWarsh Synchromatic

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    Jun 24, 2018
    Western NY
    Sure gear is just gear. I can make the same mistakes with cheap gear as I can with the good stuff. I just look better doing it with nicer stuff....
     
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  9. ruger9

    ruger9 Country Gent

    Nov 1, 2008
    NJ
    Clothes are just clothes. Vehicles are just vehicles. Houses are just houses. Yet everyone seems pretty picky about those things too ;)
     
  10. audept

    audept Senior Gretsch-Talker

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    My expertise is to faithfully capture the true sound of an instrument. Sometimes this means that a poor instrument sounds like a polished turd. In my experience a lot of the tonal quality of an acoustic instrument is in the player"s hands.
     
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  11. Robbie

    Robbie Country Gent

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    Jun 17, 2013
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    Interesting point. I think for the most part gear is just gear, as you say. We have our favourites but in the end, are those favourites critical to our actual output? The difference between say a good guitar and an unplayable guitar is critical for obvious reasons but between Epi and Gibson, USA vs MIM, Proline vs Electromatic, Klon vs Soul Food....I think not so much. All of that said, part of the joy of playing an instrument is having gear we like and want and makes us feel good. I can certainly understand both positions which is why I get mixed feelings about gear purchases....all the time.
     
  12. wildeman

    wildeman Gretschified

    May 10, 2015
    norcal
    I have several 100 year oldish instruments..... They are different
     
  13. TSims1

    TSims1 Gretschified

    Jun 18, 2013
    Atlanta
    You get what you pay for. Not always, but almost always.
     
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  14. JeffreyLeePierre

    JeffreyLeePierre Synchromatic

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    Is that a polite way to say I might have your Martin sound like my Washburn? ;)

    BTW there's something I wanted to and still never tried: go with mine in a guitar store and play it and a Martin dreadnought in a row. To check if I feel like it's worth the price. Such as Gretsch before I discovered their low end Streamliner range, Martin is something like a dream I cannot justify to make become true (poor ability, little spare time to play). Also because that Washburn is a pretty good guitar, nicely playable and with nice jingle jangle sound. And as you told before: gear is gear...
     
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  15. thunder58

    thunder58 Super Moderator Staff Member

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    lol..... There are some great Martin's out there for the price of a good Washburn ;)
     
  16. johnny g

    johnny g Synchromatic

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    Sep 2, 2017
    union, ms
    I played my dad's Martin D-28 (when he would let me) and a few years ago I purchased a Washburn WD40s. It maybe just me but I like the Washburn just as much. The Washburn was $330 new. (close out model). I am not sure what a Martin cost as I don't have the money any how.
     
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  17. Sid Nitzerglobin

    Sid Nitzerglobin Country Gent

    Jun 8, 2015
    fROMOHIO
    No, there's a difference between a Pinto and a Porsche.

    Are there some more affordable options in any product space that have great feel, function, & quality? - sure. Just like there's obscenely expensive products that are crap.

    Saying any product that tries to serve the same function as another is equivalent to it is patently false IMO.
     
  18. blueruins

    blueruins Country Gent

    May 28, 2013
    Savannah, GA
    I’m not sure I completely understand the premise here; gear is just gear?

    I guess it depends on your situation. At home a lot of gear is just gear.

    When I get in a live scenario my needs change drastically. The guitar is to muddy. The delay isn’t on tempo. The reverb is too dark. The overdrive is too aggressive for this song. Some tremolo would make this. Etc...
     
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  19. Doc Helliday

    Doc Helliday Gretschie

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    Dec 21, 2009
    LA
    After about a 4-5 year hiatus from the Gretsch (and other) guitar boards, I'm finally coming back.
    During that time I was building my own stuff
    so a lot of my Gear Acquisition (and research surrounding that), was replaced with Knowledge Acquisition and the hours of research about that. I had less concerns with very subtle tonal differences between "Piece of Gear A" and "Piece of Gear B"
    and more with "Oh God, why is this making such a horrible squeal?!?!?" or the even worse... "Why is this making NO sound?"

    I definitely understand where you're coming from, sometimes, it seems like its about "where do you want to do, what are you trying to do?" other times it's about the journey and you discover the destination along the way.
     
  20. Merc

    Merc Country Gent

    May 6, 2017
    Florida
    If you put any great guitarist on what some deem as cheaper or inferior gear, they’re likely to sound great despite it. Assuming the basics are taken care of like a proper set up. It’s the actual playing that shines through for most. And by playing I’m referring to note selection, timing, pick attack, etc.

    But it’s the musical details in finer gear that can at times influence a guitarist to be in the zone and feel inspired.
     
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