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Old January 2nd, 2010, 10:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Does anyone have the schematic for a stereo white Falcon? I am working on the black one that lost its neck. Any info you have would be a big help. The picture suggests that the wiring could be intact, but I haven't received it yet so I don't know for sure. I am thrilled to have the knobs and switches, whether or not they were original or added. I can't find many photos on the 6137--NY's is a single cut.

I don't know much about the mutes either. I am going to stick with black, since it can never quite be what came from the factory. It's almost more of a Phoenix anyway, rising from ashes (or splinters). I am planning on using Filtertrons and chrome parts. I also considered gold or orange nitro, but black already has a precedent.

Also, what is the explanation behind the carbon strip in the neck? I am guessing it would give strength, but I don't know why maple wouldn't be enough.



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Old January 4th, 2010, 10:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow, that ought to be a cool project!
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Old January 4th, 2010, 10:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What's the story behind that thing? What happened to the neck? Did it used to belong to Pete Townsend?
TV Jones might be able to help you with the schematic. Also Neil Young's tech has a gear rental business in the SF Bay Area. His name is Larry Craig and I can't remember the name of his business. I'll post it if it comes to me. He does repairs on old Gretsch guitars IIRC.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 01:45 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Sounds like an ambitious project Helloid! Can't wait to see you sink your teeth into it, I'm excited to see how it turns out Oh, and be sure to take loads of pics for us!
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Old January 5th, 2010, 03:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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It's great to see someone rescue this old bird,a Phoenix indeed!

Keep us posted on the progress!
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Wow!!! Bad azzz. That would be a killer addition to my ever expanding guitar collection.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 02:21 AM   #7 (permalink)
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In the Gretsch book by Tony Bacon / Paul Day there is a blue print of the Project-O-Sonic stereo wiring system. It is small but on inspection with my trusty magnifying glass has detail by the look of it. I will scan and post it...

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Old January 6th, 2010, 02:34 AM   #8 (permalink)
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hope this is clear enough to share....

good luck with the 'Black Phoenix' project.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 08:33 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Thanks, everyone. And thanks for showing that diagram, FOG. I have enough chops in Photoshop that I may be able to get enough info from it. I have worked on similar models that had little info available (like my Mosrite Celebrity, or Fender Coronado). The research phase is a lot of fun. Right now I wish I knew more about Gretsch pickups.

Paul, I am originally from FC. I googled Larry Craig and got a lot of the wrong info.
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Thanks, everyone. And thanks for showing that diagram, FOG. I have enough chops in Photoshop that I may be able to get enough info from it. I have worked on similar models that had little info available (like my Mosrite Celebrity, or Fender Coronado). The research phase is a lot of fun. Right now I wish I knew more about Gretsch pickups.

Paul, I am originally from FC. I googled Larry Craig and got a lot of the wrong info.
I need to hear all about your Celebrity! What have you got? Got pics? I'm a serious Celebrity junkie!
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hope this is clear enough to share....

good luck with the 'Black Phoenix' project.
F.O.G.: If your 'puter is running windows:
- zoom in on that diagram so that it fills your screen.
- press Ctrl + PrntScrn to capture the screen
- open Paint and press Ctrl + V to paste the screen capture
- store the image as a JPG file
- post it up to this thread
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F.O.G.: If your 'puter is running windows:
- zoom in on that diagram so that it fills your screen.
- press Ctrl + PrntScrn to capture the screen
- open Paint and press Ctrl + V to paste the screen capture
- store the image as a JPG file
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Dude, thats a book, not a monitor. if he could have posted the link to where he found it at I'm sure he would have.
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On my 21in monitor @1920x1080, when I hover on the image to make it blow up i can see it perfectly. Photo-shop should work too.
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hi guys

Its a photograph of a page in a book.

I will do a proper scan on this and post it in hi res.

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Dude, thats a book, not a monitor. if he could have posted the link to where he found it at I'm sure he would have.
Doh!
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LOL, i didnt mean to come off jerky sounding. I just read that and thought it might have. I mean Dude as an endearing term.
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F.O.G.: If your 'puter is running windows:
- zoom in on that diagram so that it fills your screen.
- press Ctrl + PrntScrn to capture the screen
- open Paint and press Ctrl + V to paste the screen capture
- store the image as a JPG file
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ahahahah
I still watch at that picture and think it is the left bottom of a screen

hey helloid,
how will you manage to find the proper neck to fit in there?
it looks like an ambitious project to me, anyway, good luck!

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it was tricky. its the woodgrain that stuck out. would be the first LCD monitor in a wooden cabinate i had ever seen.
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LOL, i didnt mean to come off jerky sounding. I just read that and thought it might have. I mean Dude as an endearing term.
No offence taken; none at all. If anything, I was being presumptious to offer instructions on how to post up a screen capture. I just assumed that was a faux woodgrain monitor. D'oh! indeed. Insomnia is a *****. I need sleep.
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haha I mean. I'm posting @ 4 am Eastern. my doctor asked me at my last visit: "so when do you sleep"

I replied: "tuesdays, and thursdays"
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