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June 2nd, 2012, 11:46 AM
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Gretschie
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TV jones classic plus, not 'kickin'
Hello,
I have recently fitted some tv jones pick ups to my 1967 double anniversary,
I have put a supertron into the neck and a classic plus in the bridge position.
My problem is this; The supertron in the neck sounds great with loads of output, but the classic plus in the bridge position is quieter and a bit "thin".
This is strange because the supertron is quite low compared to the classic plus.
could this be a phase issue?
Any ideas ?
Many thanks
Brodie
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June 2nd, 2012, 12:05 PM
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Synchromatic
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Might be. How does it sound with both pups engaged? When I put the 2nd TVJ Classic in my LP recently, had very low output on the newly installed neck, and a definate out of phase tone in the middle. Went back and looked, and the previous owner installed the Bridge TVJ classic with the leads reversed (according to wiring diagram I got from TVJ). Swirched leads on pup I just installed, all better.
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June 2nd, 2012, 12:13 PM
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Gretschie
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Thanks for that,
I don't really know a lot about the phase thing, could just one pickup be out of phase?
when they are both on I can mostly hear the neck.
Cheers
Brodie
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June 2nd, 2012, 12:24 PM
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Synchromatic
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brodiebrodie
Thanks for that,
I don't really know a lot about the phase thing, could just one pickup be out of phase?
when they are both on I can mostly hear the neck.
Cheers
Brodie
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Do some googles on out of phase mods, watch some videos. It's easier to hear it than explain it. They would both be out of phase of each other and makes a unique tone when in a middle position.
But one pup being just very low output can also be a bad ground solder point on that pup.
1. Check some vids on what out f phase sounds like
2. Try reversing the leads on you bridge. If your good, voila, if you NOW have OOP tone in the middle, then you had a bad solder before.
3, If bad solder found to be reason in #2, then reverse leads and resolder again.
Also possible a pot for the bridge, got fried to some degree as well.
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June 2nd, 2012, 12:44 PM
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Gretschie
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thank you so much,
that gives me loads to try.. I'll report back!
Cheers
Brodie
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June 2nd, 2012, 12:51 PM
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Synchromatic
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Did you say the neck alone position is low output? You would only hear the out-of-phase thing if both were engaged.
Bridge pickups seem to be lower anyhow, I think it's because of the smaller vibration envelop compared to the neck position. I really notice it on my Gretsch a lot and I'm currently all stock - Filtertrons with stock position.
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June 2nd, 2012, 12:57 PM
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Gretschie
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TV Jones website sais: "Note: If one pickup is out of phase with another pickup, reverse the black and white wires (the shield should still be connected to ground)."
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June 2nd, 2012, 04:00 PM
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Gretschie
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@stevo- the bridge pickup seems to be low in output,
I assumed that the bridge pick up would be louder but maybe they are okay... I guess I just expected more "whoomph" from the classic plus !
Brodie
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