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Old January 31st, 2012, 05:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've noticed that the neck on my Power Jet is somewhat thinner (and seems easier to play) than my Country Club. Can anyone tell me if any of the hollowbodies have thinner neck profiles? If so, which models.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 09:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old February 1st, 2012, 11:21 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I know my 5127 has a shallower C profile than my (soon to be) new Duo Jet.

I played a Setzer Signature piece last week that had smaller shoulders, but still felt thicker down the middle than my Electrojet. It wasn't a V shape, still a C, but a sharper taper away from the fretboard edges.
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I think the Falcons also have a deeper C profile. I know my Stephen Stills is a bit chunkier than my Nashville. My son's Jet is about the same as the Nashville. I'm not sure if this is a consistent thing, though.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 12:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If anyone has any actual measurements of Gretsch necks I'd love to hear it too. I've been keeping a spreadsheet of this info for a fairly wide range of guitars and after-market necks and I'd love to add a dose of Gretschiness.

And if anyone is interested, it is all online at http://damacleod.wordpress.com/2010/...ck-dimensions/.
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I never measured around, but i am certain that the neck only hotrod is smaller compared to standard 6120's, and also to the 6122 and the 5129 i had. My understanding is that its a setzer spec, that his are made that way. I my self had a very difficult time getting my have around most gretsch's, and almost gave up on them till i played the hot rod. I have heard that some of the jets are different profile necks, but cant advise on that. There are others here that can, just wait.
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If anyone has any actual measurements of Gretsch necks I'd love to hear it too. I've been keeping a spreadsheet of this info for a fairly wide range of guitars and after-market necks and I'd love to add a dose of Gretschiness.

And if anyone is interested, it is all online at http://damacleod.wordpress.com/2010/...ck-dimensions/.
Excellent damac, thanks for sharing!
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I bought a 6119, 6120-62, and a 6122jr in the late 90"s. The Tenny and the 6122jr both have a neck that is smaller than the Nashville. I ended up keeping those two and my son took the Nashville (it just wasn't comfortable to my hand when I played it). I wish I'd have kept it though, I loved the way it looked and sounded. So if you happen to come across any of those models, that's what I noticed. You just have to try any model before you buy one if that's a problem for you.

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I know my 5127 has a shallower C profile than my (soon to be) new Duo Jet.

I played a Setzer Signature piece last week that had smaller shoulders, but still felt thicker down the middle than my Electrojet. It wasn't a V shape, still a C, but a sharper taper away from the fretboard edges.
I have to revise this statement some.... I picked up my new Sparkle Jet yesterday and have to admit that the neck is actually closer to a soft V. Very rounded, but there is a pronounced peak down the center of the neck. Very, very comfortable!
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Part of the reason I sold my Anniversary was because I couldn't deal with the thin pencil-like neck anymore. It was tiny compared to the Tokai Love Rock I have. Most of my guitars have midsized necks, but truth be told, I have grown to prefer a big, fat baseball bat lately, and that's what I look for now. The new Epiphone Casinos and Dots have big necks. There's a Casino in my future, and i don't mean Atlantic City.
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Nothing changes the perceived thickness of a neck more than it's profile...
A little while ago I aquired an Epi Sheraton, and couldn't figure out what bothered me about the neck. I measured the thickness, as well as the ones on a Gibson LP and SG for reference, and to my astonishment they all had exactly the same thickness at the 1st and 12th fret... and all three felt slightly different to me...
For the curious, the LP had a 60's profile, the SG and Epi were more of a D-shape.
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Nothing changes the perceived thickness of a neck more than it's profile...
A little while ago I aquired an Epi Sheraton, and couldn't figure out what bothered me about the neck. I measured the thickness, as well as the ones on a Gibson LP and SG for reference, and to my astonishment they all had exactly the same thickness at the 1st and 12th fret... and all three felt slightly different to me...
For the curious, the LP had a 60's profile, the SG and Epi were more of a D-shape.
I think something needs to be clarified here.

Nut width is the width of the *fretboard* at the nut. It is NOT the "thickness" of the neck.

Most necks have a slight taper in fretboard width from nut to body. Some have a *depth* increase and an over all variance from the nut to body.

The perceived "thickness" of a neck is actually a combination of factors: the nut width, the taper of the neck from the top (playing side or "low-E" side) to the bottom (holding or "high-E" side) to the center.

The clarification here is that so many people seem to point at nut with and/or fretboard width as the key to a neck's "thickness". In most cases there is less than 1/32" difference from on neck to another in nut width. In some cases, even less.

When you're talking Gibsons, there's a little bit of misinformation out there that confuses people: a 60's LP neck and a 60's SG neck are NOT the same thing. A 60's LP neck means, quite literally, the "average" of the profiles used ONLY on LPs in the 60s, and a 60's SG neck means the same, but exclusive to SGs.

In other words, don't ever expect a 60's or 50's or 59 neck to be the same from one model to another; Gibson profiles are exclusive to the model.

What would be helpful is to know the neck DEPTH, fretboard with at the nut (nut width), 5th and maybe 12 frets to get an idea of the taper and as close as possible the profile shape, such as C, flat C, D, flat D or V.

Of course, we could talk about the current 2008 Standard LP model with it's asymmetrical neck....

**edit** sorry, not trying to soap box too much here, but I just wanted to point out that my knowledge of this comes from a) working at GC b) being required to know it and c) our Gibson rep.
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I think something needs to be clarified here.

Nut width is the width of the *fretboard* at the nut. It is NOT the "thickness" of the neck.

Most necks have a slight taper in fretboard width from nut to body. Some have a *depth* increase and an over all variance from the nut to body.

The perceived "thickness" of a neck is actually a combination of factors: the nut width, the taper of the neck from the top (playing side or "low-E" side) to the bottom (holding or "high-E" side) to the center.

The clarification here is that so many people seem to point at nut with and/or fretboard width as the key to a neck's "thickness". In most cases there is less than 1/32" difference from on neck to another in nut width. In some cases, even less.

When you're talking Gibsons, there's a little bit of misinformation out there that confuses people: a 60's LP neck and a 60's SG neck are NOT the same thing. A 60's LP neck means, quite literally, the "average" of the profiles used ONLY on LPs in the 60s, and a 60's SG neck means the same, but exclusive to SGs.

In other words, don't ever expect a 60's or 50's or 59 neck to be the same from one model to another; Gibson profiles are exclusive to the model.

What would be helpful is to know the neck DEPTH, fretboard with at the nut (nut width), 5th and maybe 12 frets to get an idea of the taper and as close as possible the profile shape, such as C, flat C, D, flat D or V.

Of course, we could talk about the current 2008 Standard LP model with it's asymmetrical neck....

**edit** sorry, not trying to soap box too much here, but I just wanted to point out that my knowledge of this comes from a) working at GC b) being required to know it and c) our Gibson rep.

Thanks for sharing!
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My USA spectra has a nice chunkyish neck, fits the hand well, My old 62 Anni has a reasonable depth/width ratio, nice and comfy. yet my MIJ spectra has a really shallow depth profile which makes the neck feel wider.
I had a Silver falcon with a nice neck and so wanted a black falcon but i've heard too many tales of setzer necks being shallow in depth.
I recently played an R7 lester with a big bat of a neck, and to me thats how all necks should be!
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 08:36 AM   #15 (permalink)
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My Power Jet has a thinner neck than my Country Club too, in fact, every one of my Gretsch necks are a little different from each other. For my tastes, the best are the Power Jet and the Double Green Anni but all of them are good. The fastest necks I've played are the Hagstrom necks but I like a thin neck. My thickest is my ES-335 but it still plays well.
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My Power Jet has a thinner neck than my Country Club too, in fact, every one of my Gretsch necks are a little different from each other. For my tastes, the best are the Power Jet and the Double Green Anni but all of them are good. The fastest necks I've played are the Hagstrom necks but I like a thin neck. My thickest is my ES-335 but it still plays well.
Could you make a detailed comparison between the 335 neck and the Power Jet? For me, at least, that would be a useful comparison as I'm very familiar with the 335 neck. Also could you tell us the exact model and years of the guitars (reissue, custom shop,etc.).

Do you own a Duo Jet as well? Does anyone know if the Power Jet and Duo Jet have the same neck dimensions?
Thanks in advance!
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Could you make a detailed comparison between the 335 neck and the Power Jet? For me, at least, that would be a useful comparison as I'm very familiar with the 335 neck. Also could you tell us the exact model and years of the guitars (reissue, custom shop,etc.).

Do you own a Duo Jet as well? Does anyone know if the Power Jet and Duo Jet have the same neck dimensions?
Thanks in advance!
The Duo Jet neck is slightly different, a little fatter but not much. I have both and can definitely feel the difference but both are very nice. If I get some time later today I'll get out the dial caliper and take some measurements.
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Nerver seen larger necks than my olds Corvettes ones ... I guess they just forgot to cut the tree before setting the neck...
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