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May 10th, 2012, 07:39 PM
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I have been redeemed! There are other gretsch jazz players!
I was pointed in this guys direction by someone thats taking the same jazz lessons I am. We talked that i play it on a gretsch, and he said I wasn't alone. This guy Anton Goudsmit, wails. I like him for three reasons. 1, he has no hair. 2, he plays some wicked jazz. 3. He plays it on a gretsch. I think its a country club, minus bigsby. Makes me want to take mine off, or get another without one. Check out the link. Theres lots of stuff by him and his band. Its upbeat jazz rocking. Though I would share with those of you that play some jazz, or like me, are trying to.
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May 11th, 2012, 03:33 AM
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Yes! Anton is my #1 guitar hero!
His guitar is a '76 (Baldwin era) Country Club.
This song is one of my favourites of his:
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May 11th, 2012, 05:08 AM
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Don't forget George Van Eps playing his sunburst Gretsch 6079 7-string:
The first video is obviously from a very old VHS tape and pretty fuzzy, but the music is great!
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May 11th, 2012, 05:24 AM
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Never gave him much attention(ah yes, Dutch conservatory jazz), but in hindsight I must admit he's pretty good.
I enjoyed this short docu. Too bad it's in Dutch cause it has a few hilarious moments. Apparently at 21 while in Lawschool he decided to make the switch to guitar under the influence of LSD. Also he managed to set himself on fire at his first public performance.
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May 11th, 2012, 05:25 AM
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Django played a Gretsch, too:

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May 11th, 2012, 07:38 AM
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Django played a Gretsch, too:

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I just checked to for you tube channel. Great playing!
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May 11th, 2012, 08:47 AM
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May 11th, 2012, 05:54 PM
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You are far from alone Freddie. Gretsch guitars do a great job at Jazz. Frankly, I like them better than the sound of humbucker equipped Gibsons.
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May 11th, 2012, 09:23 PM
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Anton! I started listening to him because of Michiel. Great player.
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May 12th, 2012, 03:25 AM
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I thought it was time somebody mentioned Sal Salvador, who had a dynasonic-equipped Sal Salvador model Gretsch jazz guitar range named for him; there is a lot of him on youtube but most of it is audio tracks with a photograph rather than a video of him actually performing live....the only one I found with a quick search (though there may be others) is this one.....the soundtrack and the snatches of video of him playing don't match up, but hey - you can see his Gretsch
Dynas seem to have a great sound for swingy, Charlie Christian style jazz; I've played jazz on Filtertrons and on Hilotrons and both can get a really good sound for jazz; I'm with Synchro on this - to my ear, they all sound much better than the standard dark Gibson-type humbucker sound that so many jazz guitarists use.
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May 13th, 2012, 07:02 PM
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I thought it was time somebody mentioned Sal Salvador, who had a dynasonic-equipped Sal Salvador model Gretsch jazz guitar range named for him; there is a lot of him on youtube but most of it is audio tracks with a photograph rather than a video of him actually performing live....the only one I found with a quick search (though there may be others) is this one.....the soundtrack and the snatches of video of him playing don't match up, but hey - you can see his Gretsch
Dynas seem to have a great sound for swingy, Charlie Christian style jazz; I've played jazz on Filtertrons and on Hilotrons and both can get a really good sound for jazz; I'm with Synchro on this - to my ear, they all sound much better than the standard dark Gibson-type humbucker sound that so many jazz guitarists use.
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Nice. had you not pointed that out, I would not have guessed he was playing a gretsch. I don't have the Dynas, I got the TV classics in my hotrod. A different sound. Need to turn down the treble quite a bit to mellow it out.
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May 13th, 2012, 07:05 PM
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Thats a nice sound, but those do not look like standard gretsch pickups. Look like hum buckers without covers. Am I wrong? And they all have a tail piece , not the bigsby.
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May 13th, 2012, 07:30 PM
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If you play up over the neck pickup or the end of the fingerboard, you'll have a great jazz sound on any Gretsch guitar. My Black Phoenix has no adjustments for tone and it has the warmest jazz tone that you could ask for.
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May 14th, 2012, 12:03 AM
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If you play up over the neck pickup or the end of the fingerboard, you'll have a great jazz sound on any Gretsch guitar. My Black Phoenix has no adjustments for tone and it has the warmest jazz tone that you could ask for.
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I tend to agree. A lot of the players I listened to in my twenties were into the standard "Gibson 'bucker with the tone rolled back" sound but that's not the only legitimate Jazz guitar sound. My personal voice for Jazz is brighter. I rarely cut the tone at all and I use more reverb than a lot of Jazz players. It's my sound and I'm happy with it. Johnny Smith used a brighter sound and had no tone control on his guitar. Bill Frisell uses a sound that wouldn't have seemed out of place in Buck Owens band.
I've played several Setzer Hot Rods and usually end up playing some Jazz on them because I love the sound. TV Classics are not at all harsh and work well for Jazz.
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May 14th, 2012, 12:09 AM
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...And they all have a tail piece , not the bigsby.
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That's right! Gretsch used to make some awesome true purpose built Jazz guitars - no need for a Bigsby. Of course, all that's left of that great heritage are the current Synchomatic range, the G6192 & G6193 Country Club models having been dropped a few years back. However, the G6118 Anniversary is also a great guitar for Jazz playing as a Bigsby just isn't needed.
There's still all the G6136DS Falcon too, but they have a bit too much bling to be taken seriously as a Jazz guitar. Nothing to to with the musician or design, just they a little too "over the top" with all that gold sparkle.
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That's right! Gretsch used to make some awesome true purpose built Jazz guitars - no need for a Bigsby. Of course, all that's left of that great heritage are the current Synchomatic range, the G6192 & G6193 Country Club models having been dropped a few years back. However, the G6118 Anniversary is also a great guitar for Jazz playing as a Bigsby just isn't needed.
There's still all the G6136DS Falcon too, but they have a bit too much bling to be taken seriously as a Jazz guitar. Nothing to to with the musician or design, just they a little too "over the top" with all that gold sparkle.
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I dunno, I don't think I could stand not having a Bigsby. I actually do use it, very lightly, in my Jazz playing.
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I suppose it depends on what you regard as a 'jazz sound'. It's a long way from Eddie Lang and Django, through the 'warm humbucker' brigade (Burrell, Kessel et al) to the more modern funkier styles you are more likely to hear from the likes of McLaughlin and Holdsworth.
Here's funky Gretsch in Roy Ayers band. In this clip it's only used for rhythm, but if you're into vibrophones (and a bit of fun) this is the stuff, recorded live at Ronnie Scott's Club, London, a good few years back.
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Hard to even notice the guitar in that video. Great post!
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Did you notice that the Gretsch Coutry Gentleman had the Bigsby removed and a trapeze tailpiece installled?
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May 14th, 2012, 08:33 PM
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I couldn't tell it was a gent on my screen, it was very grainy. Did notice no bigsby. think the wife would get made if I took the bigsby off mine, but I keep leaning towards that, or, even worse, another.
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