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Old April 3rd, 2010, 08:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default g5122 vs Casino, help would be appreciated!

I know this is a gretsch forum, but I'm hoping for a non bias opinion!


I'm in the market for a hollow body and these are the two I've been considering.

I was very interested in the Gretsch in walnut, due to it's playability and sheer beauty, but It didn't sound very gretschy and I wasn't looking to replace them for tv jones anytime soon.


I then found a Casino with a bigsby and Seymour Duncan antiquitys installed.

I play blues/rock indie/rock, rhythm guitarist for bands, but I play some lead.

wondering what would be best for me, also the g5122 is a few hundred more.


so my main questions is what are some pro's and con's to them both, also how well do those antiquitys compare to the Gretchbuckers in the g5122


thanks for the help!

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Old April 3rd, 2010, 09:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That's a toughie. When it comes to guitars, personal bias does play a part in what we buy. I know the indie guys prefer the Epis, and the Gibby 335s. But, there are a few indie players (Robert Smith, and Porl Thompson of The Cure, and William Reid of The Jesus and Mary Chain immediately come to mind) who use Gretsches. Me, I've never been a big fan of Casinos, and prefer the looks of the 5122, to the Casino. You are right about the sound, in that the Gretschbucker pickups in the 5122, and 5120, don't have that typical Gretsch sound. But ifyou can't afford replacement pickups at this time, raising the polepieces on the pickups helps the sound quite a bit. I guess it comes down to whether you want to take the musical road more traveled (the Casino), or the musicalroad less traveled (the 5122). Good luck with your decision.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 09:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I have not had the pleasure to play a Casino, yet. But the thing that brings out the magic with an Electromatic hollowbody is pulling out the pickup pole-pieces. This particular guitar series requires a player who is not afraid to make adjustments - all the Great Gretcsh tone is there - you just have to pull it out to meet your own personality.

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Really it's more about the vibe than comparison! You find with Gretsch owners, they like the vibe of the guitar. You can buy an Epi and be like every other Tom, Dick and Harry or march to a different drummer. I find Epi sounds muddy and midrangey to me. The 5122 is a hollow guitar. The casino is a plank with hollow wings. The Gretschbuckers sound much twangier than the Epi pickups. Not as twangy as Filtertrons or TV Jones, but much better in my opinion than the Epis. Even a real 335 sound like mud to me. Sorry don't mean to hurt any feelings, but you asked. If you are into the Gretsch vibe, get one and you will never go back.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 09:49 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Dude, Casino hands down. Out of the three guitars of mine pictured below, the Casino delivers the most. An absolutely superb guitar. And for what you describe you play, the Casino is what you need.


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Old April 3rd, 2010, 10:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
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You've got to play both before you decide. If you don't like the sound of the 5122 and aren't willing to get new pickups then you shouldn't get it, no matter how beautiful it looks.

If you can get the sound you want out of a Casino and it feels comfortable, then that is the guitar for you.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 10:20 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I appreciate the replies.

I've played the g5120, I liked the neck, felt smooth and felt like I could play it for awhile, but it's different from the g5122. Thicker, few other things correct?

I also played a stock Casino, next was smaller than the gretsch.

This isn't a standard casino, It was made in Korea(better version im told) has a bigsby and seymour duncan's.

Floating bridge scares me on the greTsch, I tend to jam out live.

I'm sorry about these general questions, I know it's a vauge subject.

Any pro's and con's to the two, also any one have experience with Seymour Duncan Antiquitys?
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 10:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Don't get scared by the floating bridge - more control for the discerning player, IMO. Watch these vids to see how easy it is to handle a floating bridge:
http://gretschguitars.com/resources/techtips.html

These are simple operations anyone can perform to make their guitar work better for them and helps you to know your own guitar, better.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 10:39 PM   #9 (permalink)
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You dont have to be a member of this forum long before you see music of all styles being played on Gretsch guitars! And I might add, played extremely well. Not only are they versatile, they sound fantastic and look fantastic.
Paul McCartney said of the Casino, "If I had to pick one electric guitar, it would be this". It wasn't too long after McCartney took delivery of his, that John And George ordered theirs!
I've got the Gretsch 5120 and a Casino and personaly I love them both.


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The casino is a plank with hollow wings.
Just on a technical point.
The Casino is also a hollow body. It's the Sheraton that has the solid centre block.
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Old April 4th, 2010, 09:55 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Concur with Drew....the casino is a true hollow body.
The Sheraton and the Riviera have center blocks, similar to the gibby 335.
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http://www.elderly.com/vintage/items/40U-4837.htm

found this today

someone needs to jump on this..

This is an Elitist .... not the lower line model

I think a very fair price..
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Old April 5th, 2010, 01:11 AM   #12 (permalink)
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ended up going with the casino
although the gretsch sure was nice


b6 bigsby, new pots and upgraded pups.
Sanded down finish, no pick guard.

Reminiscent of the George Harrison's casino
after Hello-goodbye, after is had been sanded,
Black pickups no pick-guard.

It has some personality.
It was also made by Peerless in 2002 in Korea,
before the plant moved to China and made a lesser quality.

got a good price, significantly cheaper than the g5122
and came with a nice case too!
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Old April 5th, 2010, 04:33 AM   #13 (permalink)
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We need photos!
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Old April 5th, 2010, 06:30 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Congratulations. I'm a big fan of Korean guitars. Hated to see production moved to China. Their biggest shortcoming, are the electronics. Maybe someday China will have their day, it just isn't yet.
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I recently purchased a 5120 and after swapping the stock bridge for a Compton and getting rid of the Gretsch-Buckers for a pair of HS Filtertrons, I now have a nice guitar with a great sound!

I stopped by GC on my lunch break last week and saw a Casino hanging in the used rack. they had marked it as a "Used Epiphone DOT" when in fact it was a used Casino Natural with P-90's and a trapeze tail piece. I score it for $249.00 USD. I tested it in the store to make sure everything worked but I didn't put it through the paces until I got it home.

Absolute LOVE!!!!!! The stock Casino is fantastic! super tone, light weight and very playable. The only thing that I have to learn is to consider the easy feedback element of this guitar. Some say it's a feature and some say it's a problem, I think it's just part of the deal if you want to play a Casino.

If I had to choose the Casino VS. my modded 5120, the Casino would win by one guitar length.
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Great guitar! Tough choice, hope it works out for you.
Plenty of time to save for a Gretsch now.
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Old April 5th, 2010, 08:42 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I had a Casino and liked it but wish I had know about Gretsch before hand. The 5122 I have is in my opinion the best entry line guitar there is hands down. The Casino seemed to give up some playability for the sake of having some extra bling. Never quiet bonded with it. Yours looks great, like it was dragged down the road to the next gig, I love it.

Wasn't it Lennon who had his sanded down? Not Harrison?
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Wasn't it Lennon who had his sanded down? Not Harrison? ............

Yours looks great, like it was dragged down the road to the next gig
Both did!
John and George had the finish removed from both of their Casino's in 1968, which is how the guitars remain today.

Think you might find it's not road-worn, just the light bouncing off her.
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WOW! I love the curvy grain on the back, Sublime. Mine has fairly straight lines with some bear claw marks.

I dig the Bigsby one yours but I love the tone of mine so much that I don't want to change it at this point. I have several tremolo equipped guitars that I should be OK

I have to say that this one has brought me to a mew level of "GAS Satisfaction"! The Casino is Guitar #33 in the collection and it's gonna be #1 in the stable for a while.
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