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I built me an Amp!

GADify
February 26th, 2012, 09:01 PM
After building a bunch of great sounding BYOC pedals, I decided to tackle the Champlifier. Here's the starting pile from the BYOC website:

http://www.buildyourownclone.com/sitebuilder/images/champgroupoweb-600x367.jpg

I like the turret board, but those turrets take a while to heat up with my iron due to the iron's small chisel point. I like it better than trying to jam six leads into a single eyelet though. Here's the included board:

http://www.gad.net/GAD/Guitar/BYOC-Champ/TurretBoard-800.jpg

Here are a couple of midway shots:

http://www.gad.net/GAD/Guitar/BYOC-Champ/Partial-800.jpg

http://www.gad.net/GAD/Guitar/BYOC-Champ/Partial-2.jpg

The instructions are fantastic. Only once was I frustrated - the last step had me soldering in a spot that was very hard to get to, but I persevered and overcame.

As others have noted, if you want to learn amp theory, this kit won't teach you that. This kit is like building a Lego set - if you follow instructions well, and know how to use the proper tools, you'll get the desired results. Just as building a Lego house won't teach you how to be an architect, this kit won't teach you to be an amp designer. For example, unless you know something about electronics (and trust me, I am no EE!), you'd never stop to think that an exposed wire or solder blob from the turret board might short out on the exposed chassis.

That doesn't mean that the kit is unsafe IMO. There are many warnings about voltage and electrocution at the proper points in the directions. I just think that an insulation layer was a better idea.

That said, I recommend that anyone who wonders why boutique amps cost so much money should build an amp kit. I love doing this stuff, and I have a fair amount of experience with a soldering iron. Still, this build took me the better part of a weekend to complete. Sure, I'm anal and like all the wires to be the right length and the labels on the components to show, but isn't that the kind of work we'd expect from a boutique builder? Sure, with more builds, my speed would increase, but I learned that hand-wiring an amp is a time consuming process. If I charged my normal consulting rate to build this amp, the end result, including components, would cost over $2,000! Cut that in half and it's still a boatload of money for a Champ.

GADify
February 26th, 2012, 09:02 PM
One of the things I don't like about the kit is that the back of the turret board is uninsulated from the chassis. I'd read this online while researching the kit, so I ordered a blank insulating card from Mojotone to use as a barrier, similar to the way my Bassman is built. I had to trim it to fit, and drill holes for the mounting screws, but it worked perfectly:

http://www.gad.net/GAD/Guitar/BYOC-Champ/Bottom-800.jpg


One other note - I ordered a different colored jewel for the lamp from Mojotone, but the threads don't match. I did not expect that, and I'm not sure why it's the case, but there you go.

Here's the final gut shot:

http://www.gad.net/GAD/Guitar/BYOC-Champ/Final-Guts-800.jpg


And here's the amp being tested on my non-conductive, flame-retardent garage floor. :)

Why isn't it in the cabinet? Because Mojotone still hasn't shipped my cabinet a month after I ordered it. They tell me it should ship this week, but I just couldn't wait to test it. Even open, on the floor, it sounds great! No sparks, no smoke - just great tone. I can't wait to hear it in a nice lacquered pine cab!

http://www.gad.net/GAD/Guitar/BYOC-Champ/Test-800.jpg

JLoud
February 26th, 2012, 09:45 PM
That's incredible GADify!! I would like to build one in the future. Looks like something you can take real pride in the fact when you play it you know you built it. I'm gonna bookmark this page. Thanks for the post.

GADify
February 26th, 2012, 10:00 PM
That's incredible GADify!! I would like to build one in the future. Looks like something you can take real pride in the fact when you play it you know you built it. I'm gonna bookmark this page. Thanks for the post.

Thanks! I can't wait for the lacquered cab to come in! I'll definitely follow up with pics of that.

Valdez
February 27th, 2012, 01:16 AM
GADify Hi, nice work.
You're right with your Lego thesis, I have no experience with elektronic and I've got build a Champ.
It was great fun and I'm working on my second.

Have you seen my Twin-Champ ?

http://www.gretsch-talk.com/forum/ampage-area/61555-nad-5f1-twin-champ-210-a.html

GADify
February 27th, 2012, 01:54 AM
GADify Hi, nice work.
You're right with your Lego thesis, I have no experience with elektronic and I've got build a Champ.
It was great fun and I'm working on my second.

Have you seen my Twin-Champ ?

http://www.gretsch-talk.com/forum/ampage-area/61555-nad-5f1-twin-champ-210-a.html

Whoa! Nice cab!

Valdez
February 27th, 2012, 02:13 AM
And sounds amazing!

nadles
February 27th, 2012, 02:20 AM
Nice work.

**Warning: Amp building is addictive**.

I modified a Ceriatone 5F1 kit into a Tweed Princeton with switchable tone stach and a boost switch. heres a pic of the cab

http://www.gretsch-talk.com/forum/ampage-area/24889-gretsch-inspired-cab-tweed-princeton.html

Michiel
February 27th, 2012, 04:33 AM
Hey, nice work GAD! Sweet.:p
I'm collecting stuff now to build an amp too. Really looking forward to that.:D

BTW, did you check if all turrets are soldered properly? There seems to be some air in the one containing the two 68k resistors; you may want to double-check that one. (on the right of this pic).

http://www.gad.net/GAD/Guitar/BYOC-Champ/Final-Guts-800.jpg

GreatGretsch
February 27th, 2012, 07:21 AM
Very cool! Don't forget to post photos of it in the new cabinet.

GADify
February 27th, 2012, 10:17 AM
Hey, nice work GAD! Sweet.:p
I'm collecting stuff now to build an amp too. Really looking forward to that.:D

BTW, did you check if all turrets are soldered properly? There seems to be some air in the one containing the two 68k resistors; you may want to double-check that one. (on the right of this pic).

http://www.gad.net/GAD/Guitar/BYOC-Champ/Final-Guts-800.jpg

Thanks - and I sure did. Many of the turrets get soldered from the bottom, including that one. Still, I hate that it looks different, so now that you pointed it out, I'll probably go back and fill it for that reason alone. :)

Thanks for the heads up!

Michiel
February 27th, 2012, 04:51 PM
Oh, OK. If it's sildered well from the bottom, there's no need to redo the work. The electrons aren't choosy.;)

Just wanted to have you check that point.:)
On the other Gretsch forum someone built a champ circuit, but forgot to solder three turrets. This led to all kinds of weirdness in his circuit.:o

6stings
February 27th, 2012, 05:55 PM
So cool! Where can I get a kit?

MTurner
February 27th, 2012, 06:51 PM
So cool! Where can I get a kit?

Right here:

http://www.buildyourownclone.com/ampkitindex.html

GADify
February 28th, 2012, 08:14 AM
Oh, OK. If it's sildered well from the bottom, there's no need to redo the work. The electrons aren't choosy.;)

Just wanted to have you check that point.:)
On the other Gretsch forum someone built a champ circuit, but forgot to solder three turrets. This led to all kinds of weirdness in his circuit.:o

No worries - I'd rather know now than chase ghosts later, so thanks for the head's up.

GADify
March 9th, 2012, 05:15 PM
Finally got the cabinet and got it all put together. I scored a vintage looking badge on Ebay that says "Champ" in Fender-like script. Mounted it all, put the badge on, and started rocking.

It's a little dark sounding in the enclosure, but I hear that's normal. It's a GREAT sounding amp though. Even overdriven I'm impressed at how good it sounds.

I grew up around Fender black and silverface amps, and never dug them. When I got my '63 Bassman, I was blown away by the tone. This one makes me want a Tweed Deluxe. I'll definitely have to build that next!

The Mojotone cabinet is fabulous. Not a flaw on it. Worth every penny.

Here are some pics of the completed build:

http://www.gad.net/GAD/Guitar/BYOC-Champ/Mojo-Champ-Empty-800.jpg


http://www.gad.net/GAD/Guitar/BYOC-Champ/GAD-Champ-Back-800.jpg


http://www.gad.net/GAD/Guitar/BYOC-Champ/GAD-Champ-Front-800.jpg


http://www.gad.net/GAD/Guitar/BYOC-Champ/Champ-Badge-800.jpg

Dylanphile
March 9th, 2012, 05:32 PM
Looks awesome, man. Congrats!

MTurner
March 9th, 2012, 05:57 PM
That's fabulous. I am fascinated at the idea that you can build your own vintage-spec amp. Ummm... what are the chances we can hear it?

GADify
March 9th, 2012, 06:37 PM
That's fabulous. I am fascinated at the idea that you can build your own vintage-spec amp. Ummm... what are the chances we can hear it?

LOL - I'm getting asked that a lot.

I'll see what I can do.

funnyorangeguitar
March 9th, 2012, 06:56 PM
That's fabulous. I am fascinated at the idea that you can build your own vintage-spec amp. Ummm... what are the chances we can hear it?

+1 on hearing it please

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Michiel
March 10th, 2012, 02:07 AM
Hey that looks really spiffy!:)
Great job GAD.

Still looking around for an affordable local cab builder. The shipping really hurts these days; even a champ cab like yours would set me back the price of a Fender Excelsior if I'd order it from the states.

Just heard that the 16lb worth of Fender 75 PT were delivered at work. I'm going to head over there in a minute to pick it up. All I need now is a decent chassis and then I can start -my- build finally.:D

6stings
March 10th, 2012, 02:27 AM
Looks like a million, man! Perfect!

RockingMatt
March 10th, 2012, 05:41 AM
Good Job GADify.

audept
March 10th, 2012, 07:05 AM
Impressive! Great job!

Valdez
March 10th, 2012, 07:14 AM
Great job. BTW I scored the same "Champ" badge on Ebay;-)

gigatron
March 10th, 2012, 10:14 AM
I want to try building one of those.

GADify
March 10th, 2012, 11:23 AM
Thanks guys. Every time I sit down to record it, I get lost playing with it. :)

With a Nocturn Brain turned up, or with my modified Tube Screamer, it really becomes an angry little bastard.

Valdez
March 10th, 2012, 11:26 AM
Yesssss I think so;-)

thespacediner
March 10th, 2012, 11:52 AM
well done!

GADify
March 20th, 2012, 12:12 AM
Made a clip. Excuse the crappy playing. It's mostly just powerchords to show off the different levels of raunch. :)

http://soundcloud.com/gadify/champdemo

The clip was made with the stock JJ tubes. I just got some NOS tubes, and it mellows the amp a bit. I think I might like it better with the JJs! :)

Guitar is a '99 Westerly Guild Starfire with WCR pickups.

It sounds a little muffled to my ears on the computer - it's clearer in person. Could be my advanced recording technique of laying my Oly LS10 on the carpet about 5' in front of the amp.

GADify
March 20th, 2012, 12:26 AM
Duplicate post

fender62custom
March 20th, 2012, 01:43 AM
GOOD STUFF GADify...very impressive...enjoy

JBennett
March 20th, 2012, 06:56 AM
Nice work all around. Thanks for sharing.

6stings
March 20th, 2012, 10:22 AM
Sounds lovely thru the headphones! Loooovely!

MTurner
March 20th, 2012, 11:18 AM
Made a clip.

Thanks for doing that. The amp sounds delicious! Makes me want to whip out the ol' soldering iron.

GentleBen
March 20th, 2012, 03:41 PM
Nice job GADify! Wish I had one or two of those!

bobkat
March 20th, 2012, 06:20 PM
Wow cool!