Look at this deal for $59:

Choose any 2 Rocking Rogue effects pedals pictured and receive a smart pedlaboard gig bag from Road Runner including a Live Wire 9v 300MA power supply and cables. The gig bag has 1/2" padding, a shoulder strap, a large outside pocket, and keeps your new pedals safely in place, ready-to-rock. Just unzip and plug in.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/rogue-effects-pedal-pack

Pretty great deal. I have the Rogue Delay - it's not bad. I use it as a spare in my gig bag, as I usually leave my Aqua Puss on the board.

Amazing that even when they price them at $29, they have to bundle in a board/bag and 1-spot to move them.

Wow, I would have jumped on that a month or two ago. I was looking for a delay and trem pedal, board, and psu, and wasn't too worried about those effects being anything super special (as they don't get used a whole lot, but would be cool to have).

I started with a tuner pedal, nocturne, dano cool cat OD, and a stagg pedal case ($50). A onespot plus 5 way adapter ($35) then traded the CCOD for a Cool Cat trem, bought a delay from Tavo, and scored a Gator Powered Pedal Tote for $25 on CL. But I really wouldn't have hesitated to jump on this had I seen it before all that mess.

That's a hell of a deal, for less than I paid for several of my pedals.

Wow. Not a bad price at all.

those look like modtone/bellcat pedals.

I have a Rogue Delay and for the $29 I spent it is well worth it, probably worth the $49 regular price. I'm thinking about the deal just to give the tremolo and chorus a try.

Just ordered the delay and tremolo (the power supply is on backorder so shipping will be delayed). I was already thinking about getting another one-spot power supply and it would have cost me about $30.00 by itself.

Thanks for the tip Sharkblues!

hmmm.... I say hmmmmm...

hmmmmmm? Wasn't that by the Crash Test Dummies?

Maybe you were expressing how ironic it is that my delay is being delayed?

hhmmm.... :) the good word sez its is better to be thought a fool that to open ones mouth and remove all doubt... hmmm... hmmmm...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_er7_VeH-o9s/StlaXSSYGUI/AAAAAAAACvU/xkXxYuupVwg/s400/horsecarry.jpg

And in this post, pics of the internals themselves.

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2805111-delay-tremolo-chorus-od-and-dist-pedals-for-under-20-bucks-each-with-free-shipping&p=43500554&viewfull=1#post43500554

I just want to cusss... HOW can anyone compete? Those things are made WELL!!! Even the Xotic doesnt have pots like those rogue pedals..

pretty soon you'll find free guitar pedals as prizes in your cereal box!

ooops well I guess proverbs was right. I opened my mouth. I'm gonna go crawl back in my american pedal cave and speak sweet nothings to my american pedals whilst shunning the offshore variety... except for the DM-3's. I adopted those as my own children.

"New Rockabilly-O's, with a free Dyno Brain in every box!"

now see that CANNOT happen if I have anything to do with it.. unless of course I decided to do what rogue does and hire these folks to make my products while paying them in coal
http://filmcomment.net/archive/nyff/2007/program/avantgarde/images/full/capitalsim_child_labor2.jpg

those rogue pedals are even in the belcat box, definitely same factory, wonder if the guts are the same too.

Will you people stop this! Last week I was forced to buy a guitar center discount gift card, this week two effects pedals. Your killing me here!

pretty soon you'll find free guitar pedals as prizes in your cereal box!



TV, if it makes you feel any better, I only bought it for the free bag which I plan to promptly fill with every variety and color of Nocturne pedal!

TV, if it makes you feel any better, I only bought it for the free bag which I plan to promptly fill with every variety and color of Nocturne pedal!

I know man thats how they get you, who doesnt like free gig bags and power supplies!!? :)

btw.. my supplier wants me ordering all the time so if I get like 10 guys to go in with me the EH pedalboard bags are way affordable..
http://www.thesoundodyssey.com/images/products/278745.jpg
http://www.leadmusic.com/media/products/original/eh-pedal-bag-2.jpeg

I've never got myself one because the one-see prices arent that great on things like this. they are like $35 at musicians friend and I think I save $9 :) ..but like I said, if there were enough then there is a decent wholesale discount.

I can find a use for the EHX Pedal Bag :) as long as USPS shipping to Canada won't eat up all the savings :D

btw.. my supplier wants me ordering all the time so if I get like 10 guys to go in with me the EH pedalboard bags are way affordable..
http://www.leadmusic.com/media/products/original/eh-pedal-bag-2.jpeg

Now that's a cool idea; didn't know there was such a thing. I may have to pick me up one of those (discount or no).

ooops well I guess proverbs was right. I opened my mouth. I'm gonna go crawl back in my american pedal cave and speak sweet nothings to my american pedals whilst shunning the offshore variety... except for the DM-3's. I adopted those as my own children.

Don't you own a few "offshore" guitars too (Gretsch) Japaneses guitars? Sorry man, I had to take that poke.

I own lots of Pedals from all over, even one of yours (adopted from caeman). It's the world we live in.

Don't you own a few "offshore" guitars too (Gretsch) Japaneses guitars? Sorry man, I had to take that poke.

I own lots of Pedals from all over, even one of yours (adopted from caeman). It's the world we live in.

its not a geography thing its the sending off product for production TO asia for the lowest production price. I dont see anything from Japan factored into that market I mentioned (china, india, tawaiin)

I own 2 Boss DM-3 analog delays and a roland re301 space echo made in japan (although it has american components in it). My gretsch guitars are all made in japan's terada factory but only the wood is from japan as well.

the point of protest is large companies not interested at the musician level to produce quality gear that will last, that will survive countless gigs but rather they only think how can we clone up the basic stuff and sell it at 1/3rd the price of the competition. Its business for sure but there does not exist any element of social justice in it. I dont want to derail or tangent on the last sentence but rather just say there is value beyond just owning a well made guitar pedal. I can just imagine would it would feel like to run a company say like Jason Lollars pkup company where he now has like 15 employees or Fulltone with 20 employees. You are doing something real amazing there.

Anyway, I think I'm blown away that these rogue pedals are built so well inside and out. Danelectro's cool cat stuff is junky compared to those pictures chad linked to.
Of course its best if you have flying leads to your pots, jacks and switches for long life and road worthiness but they are using full size opamps, caps and metal film resistors, even alpha pots from what I could make out.

My father was an independent merchant who was squeezed out by the chain stores so I know where you are coming from. Myself, I only buy American car brands and own two Harleys. Unfortunately I can't always afford U.S. made accessories even though I have no doubt that they are far superior.

Huntsville has been one of the centers of expertise in the field of space travel. Looks like we are even going to off-shore that!

The problem goes even deeper for many things we buy. America no longer has the electronics manufacturing it used to have. We literally lack many of facilities to build things like TVs and computers here. The pieces and parts are in China. There is one American company building rechargeable batteries here IN the USA...A123 Systems. One.

Yep, you want something made, we no longer have the materials infrastructure to get the parts together quickly and cheaply. It's not just electronics. I would love it if I could have all top quality and American made. Unfortunately, I've given up. Even things that say "made in America" are generally assembled from offshore parts.

Tevo I have nothing, but respect for guys like you and small shop work! But your building for a smaller and smaller share of the market as American wages shrink. In fact, i was one of those small business men and gave it the best years of my life. But my market shrink until I lost money every day i went to work. And it's not getting any better. Heck, in Texas last year 40% of all new jobs created were minimum wage. Probably only 15% - 20% pay an actual living wage. And of those only 10% have quality benefit plans.

Also, most people either don't actually need, can I say professional quality, or they buy like they buy everything else in there lives from toasters to even homes, something they expect to last a while before tossing it and buying a new one.

Pedaltrain! Picked this bad boy up at gee-tard center for $60

Pedaltrain! Picked this bad boy up at gee-tard center for $60

Same here! $99 hardcase PT1 and I had a $30 coupon. Nice deal. My old PT2 was an original and was too short to install PedalPower underneath. Smaller board now but more room since I don't have that massive power supply on top taking up space! Sold the PT2 w/bag for $50 the next day. :)

$19 difference for a hard case! Awesome.

Yeah, I'm all about the deal. Unless I need something in an emergency, I look for deals. Of course I'm a recovering G.A.S. addict............

I know what youre saying man.. even in the late 80s when I had a sign shop I got the squeeze when the ADA required all signage to have braille and suddenly production shifted offshore to extruded mass production of generic signs. So all my custom colors, shapes and sizes were now expensive and the pre made versions took over. I went bankrupt or rather had to do a chapt13 and vowed I'd never go into business again.

...so here I am AGAIN :) ..but as a consumer we have chosen to live a particular purposeful lifestyle that is all about "F" the man. No GMO foods, no asian made items as we can help it (freakin Mac and iphone are china, as is my Sharp 37" tv). All our furniture is from the 50s and 60s made here. My Dodge Magnum and 54 buick are american... We try and yes I like to preach it because change can only happen one incident at a time. I know we are winning on the GMO food stuff because our new TARGET store is carrying a FULL line of labeled "organic" food products. The consumer still has a voice... now to take ROGUE down! :) (laughing hysterically)

Without a doubt Tevo, you are my favorite poster on gretsch talk. Keep up the the good fight brother! You against a billion Chinese and the 21 century world economic revolution...... the legend begins....

Without a doubt Tevo, you are my favorite poster on gretsch talk. Keep up the the good fight brother! You against a billion Chinese and the 21 century world economic revolution...... the legend begins....

its fun to laugh at the insane isnt it :)

Rogue? You get what you pay for most of the time.
Listen......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL4wnZzWfRQ&feature=related

There are better options. Don't fall for the "free stuff". Learn some basic electronics and make one. Anything but that............

Rogue? You get what you pay for most of the time.
Listen......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL4wnZzWfRQ&feature=related

There are better options. Don't fall for the "free stuff". Learn some basic electronics and make one. Anything but that............

That is justice right there.. :)

no doubt. We support this crap because we get something for free. I always ask why are they giving something away to sell it. Just buy what you get for free. Don't want to, then maybe you didn't need it.

I'm just on a roll tonight. Wait, let check my pedals to make sure I don't have any offending gear..........

Which brings me to another rant.

If ya bought the right amp to begin with, there wouldn't be so many OD/Dist boxes out there.
The low watt rage was getting somewhere, but they mostly sound like crap. Unless you buy something of QUALITY (remember that word boys and girls), but our minds tell us I can get/I want/I need that 50 watt amp to look cool and play at one because its to loud for the coffee house you are playing in.

Ok, I think I got it out of my system.............

Since we're going down this path, a few thoughts...

The US is not a great manufacturing country. There are others that do it better than we can, regardless of their cost structure. Take a look at the Gibson made-in-USA guitars as an example. That's not to say that we can't make amazing hand-crafted goods - we can and do - but in terms of mass-manufacturing, other countries and cultures have us beat. Japan proved that in the 70s and others have followed their model (with an even lower cost structure).

What we are supposed to be great at is innovation. I've spent most of my career in the technology industry and we certainly have driven much of the innovation in that space. Look at yesterday's tributes to Steve Jobs as an example, but also Amazon, eBay, CraigsList, Google, etc. All great innovation, mostly driven out of the US.

Where we've failed IMO is that public policy is too focused on short-term goals. It's impossible to put together a 5 or 10 year strategy. I think we've failed in 3 areas:
1. Not investing in areas of growth: On Sept 12, 2001 we had the greatest opportunity since the Apollo program to drive energy innovation. We should have focused on driving public-private partnerships in this area. If we had done that, we could be selling alternative energy technology to China today instead of the other way around.

2. Education & training: we've known for 30 years that we need to move the economy to a knowledge worker-based economy. Gary Hart in 1984 talked about "structural dislocation" of workers and how we needed to focus on training and education. But it's costly and difficult and no one wants to take it on.

3. The smartest of the smart end up going into banking. Not sure how to fix this (though recent bank implosions have helped) but it's sad that the best minds from Harvard, MIT, Yale, etc seem to all end up going into investment banking. I don't really begrudge them individually - after running up $500k in b-school loans, the idea of making $1m per year as a partner must be attractive - but I wish we could direct them towards things that add value to society and/or the economy. Banking generates profits, but it doesn't add any real value. These kids could be curing cancer, making breakthroughs on energy or creating amazing technology products. But instead they're doing deals.

My company is growing very fast - we were 8 people a year ago, 15 in June, 26 today and will end the year north of 35. By end of 2012 we should be at 80. But it's a struggle for us to find the great software developers we need. We're virtual - and can hire from anywhere. Most of our team is in the US, but we have 2 developers in New Zealand, 1 in Australia and 1 in Montreal. (In the US we're all over - NY, LA, Cleveland, Maryland, etc). There's a severe shortage of skilled software engineers - but we don't do enough to prepare our kids to fill those needs.

So, yes, we can "buy American" (though it's hard to tell whether the GM car assembled in Mexico is more American than my BMW assembled in South Carolina) but we really need to develop long-term strategies to drive our economy.

Final thought - there's still a real market for quality, hand-crafted goods. Go spend some time on the Gear Page forum where pickups that aren't hand-wound are dismissed outright. There's a difference between the connossieur and the mass market for lots of products. And there's nothing wrong with someone buying a Rogue pedal, especially if they can't afford boutique pedals. But they guy who's likely to buy boutique is probably not buying the Rogue pedals instead.

/end of rant

The great industrial we are not, I agree. We where, and that's my point. I am not totally against all these "stuff". I have a few.

My point is that at one time, in a land far far away, we where a great industrial society. That is what made us great. We as a society continue to drive our own economy away by continuing to support other markets, usually the Chinese market. I have nothing against the Chinese, don't get me wrong. I just want to bring our companies back home.

We have become a service industry society. We mostly do not make our own stuff anymore. We service them, or sell them, and we will install them. It's a very bad trend that most of our fellow countrymen don't think about.

I can rant for hours, but I won't. I am just a simple commoner in our country trying to point out some trends that have hurt us for the 40 odd years.

I am done on the subject. Ending note, thought the delay was decent, but I haven't heard the Tremelo. But I've made one, better :p

Barry said "Take a look at the Gibson made-in-USA guitars as an example. That's not to say that we can't make amazing hand-crafted goods - we can and do - but in terms of mass-manufacturing, other countries and cultures have us beat."

you hit the nail on the head.. I dont want be part of off shore mass manufacturing and to purchase such things when I have a choice not to, is to support it...

A lot of good points Barry.

Bluenote your right too. It's a 40 year trend, that went into hyper-drive in 2000 after the millennium scare and shortage of US programers.

TV I admire your fight (and sense of humor:D).

I personally don't see the US making the kinds of deep social, economic, and other policy changes it will take for us to prevent further economic decline - to a large degree because we distrust the kinds of government programs and partnerships with private sector that it could take.

As for that Rogue delay, it by no means in the league of Maxon, malekko, MXR, or other more expensive pedal's I've tried. But dirt poor musicians, guys trying to pay for collage, or working at Mc D's a few hours a week or any of us with very limited funds, or those who don't use delay that often, or those who play on the sofa more than the stage, it's a damn good pedal!

I ordered this, the Trem and the Chorus. Every piece was back ordered. Rats.

I ordered this, the Trem and the Chorus. Every piece was back ordered. Rats.

I thought about getting these two pedals but couldn't bring myself to it.

For inexpensive pedals, I would choose Delta Labs over Rogue. I did in fact. Wanted a chorus pedal. Its ok. Not the best for sure, but far from the worst. Most of there stuff is decent, and friendly to the greenback challenged guitarist. They strike a better ratio of economy and quality. Its all SMT, which leads me to think its overseas built, but not sure on that. They are based out of Thousand Oaks, Ca.

A book that may put some things
in perspective,

the True Story of
The Bilderberg Group.

By, Daniel Estulin.

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Raspy I have been thinking about buying that! :) But.. the real question is how long will the Free Pedal bag stay in one piece?? Heavy duty cordura? ballistic nylon?? or lunch sac disguised as guitar gear?
http://discoverykitchen.weebly.com/uploads/6/2/9/7/6297049/9921967.jpg


ps. he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone..

I need to sell my Recording King acoustic I got for christmas. I bought
it from a pawn shop for $400 just because it listed at $1200 but it haunts me hanging there on the wall in this room. I'd sleep better with a Gibson j45 :)

Tavo, It's a good read. The
Bohemian Grove is next.

Another good one is The
Resistance Manifesto, by
Mark Dice.

Appoligeses' to the OP for
going OT.

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<><> Raspy <><>

I thought about getting these two pedals but couldn't bring myself to it.

MSfriend often has GREAT DEALS on stuff not in stock. Last Winter they were selling BBE pedals for like $50 or $60. And I've notice almost anything that I've wanted that they didn't have is marked lower then their normal low prices. I guess that how they get you from buying from the other guy. I found this deal as I ws looking at a JOyo Chorus (not something I use much). The Joyo alone was $45 with shipping so i bought the Rogue.

raspy.. I'm totally down with the Bohemian Grove and Bilderburg, masons, haarp... love to waste time talking about that stuff even though it avails nothing...

Shark.. musicians friend has great deals now and then. I got two gretsch bar stools for $39 each! I felt like I won a prize :)