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Pedalboard - A Cautionary Tale.

Crooner
July 29th, 2010, 12:11 AM
We've all heard the warnings... "Careful, man, pedals are like crack... they can get outa control fast. Watch out."

I tried to keep this in mind as I set out to build a board for myself.

Here's the modest gear I started with:

9297



As I mentioned in another thread, I went with one of the Gator boards that came with a power supply screwed to the bottom of the board, as well as a case. Very nice construction, cool way for power cables to come up from below to get to the pedals.

I thought it had more than enough room.

I thought...

And so I began to get a feel for the layout:

9298




Then the first spree occurred and suddenly all that extra space was filling up fast, with other pedals waiting to be added:


9299




Further acquisitions took the situation from tight to messy to physicality impossible.
Serious action was necessary or the final board would look something like this:


9303



With budget still in mind, I found LyT boards. I also liked NYC Pedalboards, as they have a second tier, the board *is* the bottom of the case, and they seem solid. They also, however, bring one into the over $200 range quickly.
The LyT boards have a tier which is slanted - which I likey - and are separate from the case. Getting one with a bag came out to less than $100. I'll be able to migrate the power supply from the Gator board for time being. When I need something better, I'll go for what seems to be *the* "go to" brick, the Voodoo Pedal Power.

I did the whole laying out tape on the floor, trying to keep things as tight as I could while still leaving room for future insanity. After several attempts and a full roll of masking tape - not the special blue tape I use when replacing a bridge on a git, mind you - I took a cold hard look at the offerings in terms of size and just said, "Farg it!"

Here's what arrived today:

9301


There is plenty of room under the tiers to put power and route cabling. The board itself is very thin, and has some give to it, but is still solid and holds up to being stomped on. The bag that came with it is well padded and has good, room pockets, plus, a hard case which will essentially become part of the board's bottom can be had easily.



This brings us to the first draft of putting the chain in order. I haven’t committed things to Velcro yet, but that time is coming soon. :D
The next addition will be one of the many excellent wah-wah suggestions you've all given me.

http://idisk.me.com/crooner/Public/g-t/IMG_0199.jpg

Some things I learned that will help anyone embarking on the same journey:


Don't get a ton of short cables straight away. Wait until you have a good idea of what you'll be working with. Spend the extra bucks and get something like George L's DIY cables. They use thin cabling and have the smallest right angle plugs you'll ever find. You can cut to desired length and you won’t need to solder anything. I wish I had done this.

Choose a good board with plenty of room. Put tape on the floor and mark off spots for every box you'll want. Measure that and then get something a little bigger to account for cable routing, odd sized pedals, etc.
It took me two tries to get this.

I won't say to limit yourself to only three or four pedals. That would hypocritical and, frankly, unrealistic. Unless you are truly roots - guitar > cable > amp (possible Nocturne in there) - look deep into your soul, and honestly come to terms with the degree to which you will sink into addiction. What with a large collection of Jets that's still growing, with a couple of hollow body Juniors and a Martin (not to mention a Fender and a Hofner bass), I knew I was a serious danger to myself and society at large.


This has been a serious learning experience, and one I know that - like guitars and amps - will continue to evolve until, well... forever.

Finally, choose pedals that will always let anyone know they are hearing a Gretsch!

S Macp
July 29th, 2010, 04:55 AM
http://www.gretsch-talk.com/forum/attachments/pedal-pushers-forum/9303d1280379602-pedalboard-cautionary-tale-img_0188-jpg

That's the best pedalboard pic I've ever seen!

dafreeze
July 29th, 2010, 06:14 AM
Ha! Shoot Crooner, that's funny.

And look at all those cool toys! Gets a little pricey, don't it? But I don't see a gas pedal?? That one power supply gonna handle all that? And I see 2 a/b/y's? Whatcha switchin' besides a pair of amps?

Have you weighed that bagged up monster yet and is that board already covered with velcro?

MGllm
July 29th, 2010, 07:06 AM
That's good! Should keep your feet busy.

Speaking of Velcro, the adhesivse nearly always fails on the velcro strip on the underside of the effect. Anyone have a solution for that other than using cable ties to secure the pedals?

dafreeze
July 29th, 2010, 07:55 AM
yes, but I didn't want to bring it up if he's already got velcro on there...regarding the specific issue you mentioned, clean the bottom of the pedal with a little alcohol, or a 50/50 mix of alcohol and water, then trim the corners off (better still, round them) the piece you will adhere to the pedal. Hold pressure on it for several seconds after applying.

The part I didn't want to mention was to ditch the velcro completely and spring for 3M Dual Lock. Our friendly Moderator used this and recommended, so I did the same. Way more better, but it ain't cheap. I dropped half a c note on enough to do mine.

Velcro over time collects junk in the fuzzy side and it's ability to stick to it's mate diminishes.

Mark W
July 29th, 2010, 08:32 AM
I don't care for the velcro. It does come off (maybe the trimming would help) consistently. I had a pedal board, but since I don't gig sold it. I have been going to build one out of some leftover pine board scraps and cover it with black vinyl runner pieces. The rubber feet on the rubber mat will keep the pedals from moving much. Also again, if I was gigging the pedals would need to be secured properly.

Crooner - I have had that same A/B box about 5 years now.

MGllm
July 29th, 2010, 08:36 AM
Thanks dafreeze. I'll check out the 3M product. The fuzzy surface on my Furman pedalboard is getting about thick with debris.

dafreeze
July 29th, 2010, 08:50 AM
pleasure

araT
July 29th, 2010, 09:23 AM
Wow Darin, you really have been going effects nuts!! :D I can't believe I missed half of these coming in, lol.. good work, looks like you've got lots of tasty things on there by now! I can't wait to hear a couple of new clips..

I probably shouldn't be telling you that once you get your new wah pedal on there you're going to be out of space again, right? ;)

ishtar
July 29th, 2010, 10:12 AM
+1 to your A/B box. Works both ways, in or out. Two guitars, two effect loops, or two amps...

ishtar
July 29th, 2010, 10:30 AM
In fact, I love the Selector box so much, I sold my line 6 stompboxes, my tube screamer, my DD-27, my Rat, my Zvex ringtone, and my playboy amp and bought 12 of them. I can only fit 6 of them on my pedal board, but I am going to fabricate a pedal board that will hold all 12 of the Selectors, and I am going to have them all go into a mixing console, and out through a firewire unit to a port I am going to be putting into my left temple later this morning.

I am having my kidneys surgically replaced with JBL 15" Mega Low Bass speakers, and am having my naughty bits replaced with a high def 3-D stereo multimedia projector.

Okay, I got that out. Sorry. Thanks for indulging me. Good Thursday to you all...

ishtar
July 29th, 2010, 10:31 AM
hi def tweeters, too, where my ears were....

ishtar
July 29th, 2010, 10:31 AM
And they say that I still should be able to play guitar like I always have. That part is disappointing, as you will learn.

Mark W
July 29th, 2010, 10:36 AM
Ishtar

I don't think the A/B box is that good!!!

ishtar
July 29th, 2010, 11:25 AM
Er... Yeah, yeah, yeah.... I mean no, no, no, Mr. Bill... I kind of am Darin-ish. He collects Jets, I like Whirlwind A/B Selectors boxes.

http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--WHRSELECTOR

I like having a huge selection. Heck, that's what makes the interest one has and acts upon continue to pursue new selections, i.e. G.A.S.

It boggles reason.

It delights, but leaves one thirsting to drink from BOSS's cup once more, and then again... until we become dust.

Actually, I cannot end this installment without thanking the college professor who taught the two most... no, the three most important classes I took in my life...
1)Kierkegaard;
2) Self-deception;
3) Skepticism.

I never finished any of the three. Still have incompletes after 30 years.

Best classes ever. Profound influence on me. I am fond of Kierkegaard's existential philosophy that picks the most absurd thing to distinguish faith as a leaping choice. I am skeptical to a huge fault as to be impaired socially, and I am totally fooling myself.

I am Jackson Browne's Pretender. I am just an imitation of a version of myself. I am not a noun, I seem to be a verb, an integral function of the universe!

Mmmmmm! Microwave popcorn with parmesan cheese on top!

ishtar
July 29th, 2010, 11:27 AM
Oooops, almost forgot what this was all about... Thanks Dr. Arnold Johanson.

Hot Rod Michelle
July 29th, 2010, 11:32 AM
http://www.gretsch-talk.com/forum/attachments/pedal-pushers-forum/9303d1280379602-pedalboard-cautionary-tale-img_0188-jpg

That's the best pedalboard pic I've ever seen!

I would have to agree.:D

LATS
July 29th, 2010, 07:36 PM
http://idisk.me.com/crooner/Public/g-t/IMG_0199.jpg

So, where ya gonna put the Nocturne??? :confused:

pilgrim
July 29th, 2010, 09:13 PM
Tonight was my last night with individual pedals. I have well over 20. I buy Gt8 and 10's and RP350 and never take them out of the boxs and give them to kids, but tomorrow I will use a new ME 70 that GC gave me today. It is big time over kill fo my needs but at least it has knobs.

dafreeze
July 30th, 2010, 02:54 AM
...I am having my kidneys surgically replaced with JBL 15" Mega Low Bass speakers...

wow...them must be some big kidneys

lennyedwards
July 30th, 2010, 04:52 AM
you should pee on a couple of those speakers to see how thy handle the filtering process before the op.

hotraman
July 30th, 2010, 05:15 PM
Crooner;
Pedals are addictive!
I can relate!

araT
July 30th, 2010, 10:12 PM
Every time I see this thread I get closer to going on another pedal binge..
This time it's gonna be EHX & MXRs.. it won't be pretty.. I'm looking at at least 5 :rolleyes: