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Renegade September 23rd, 2009, 07:10 PM Looking at Trem pedals...The Fulltone "Supa-Trem", Pure Analog Effect "BlueBird" and the Monster Effects "Swamp Thang" are on my short list.
Looking for opinoins and experiences with any or all, of these pedals.
Crooner September 23rd, 2009, 07:32 PM I gotta put in a mention for my fav, the Boss PN-2, stereo Tremolo Pan. It was extremely great, so naturally, it was discontinued. You can find 'em on fleaBay, though. For a time I used it with two AC30's as a setup and it was mind blowing how good it sounded.
Here ya go:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110436075580&BackToListReferer=http%3A%2F%2Fmy.ebay.com%2Fws%2F eBayISAPI.dll%3FMyEbayBeta#ht_500wt_1182
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Synchro September 23rd, 2009, 07:47 PM Looking at Trem pedals...The Fulltone "Supa-Trem", Pure Analog Effect "BlueBird" and the Monster Effects "Swamp Thang" are on my short list.
Looking for opinoins and experiences with any or all, of these pedals.
The only thing I'll chime in with is the fact that tremolo devices have one Achilles' Heel, and that is volume drop. The reason is obvious if you stop to think about it, if the tremolo works by cutting volume rhythmically there is less "area under the curve", less volume. The Boss TR-2 I had sounded great but easily dropped the volume by 6db or more when in operation. It would have been OK for recording but for live work it would have required a volume boost of some sort. Some tremolo devices cut volume for part of the cycle and increase volume for the other part of the cycle. IMO, this is the way to go. It's also the way that a bias modulating trem worked on a tube amp.
Renegade September 25th, 2009, 12:21 PM The only thing I'll chime in with is the fact that tremolo devices have one Achilles' Heel, and that is volume drop. The reason is obvious if you stop to think about it, if the tremolo works by cutting volume rhythmically there is less "area under the curve", less volume. The Boss TR-2 I had sounded great but easily dropped the volume by 6db or more when in operation. It would have been OK for recording but for live work it would have required a volume boost of some sort. Some tremolo devices cut volume for part of the cycle and increase volume for the other part of the cycle. IMO, this is the way to go. It's also the way that a bias modulating trem worked on a tube amp.
So a Tremolo with a level/volume adjustment would be a must?
The Bluebird also has a boost switch which might be helpful as well.
VictoriaDD59 September 25th, 2009, 12:26 PM If you like Brownface Fender tremolo, buy the Swamp Thang. I own it, and its perfect for that tone.
vjf1968 September 25th, 2009, 01:30 PM Don't forget the Danelectro Cool Cat Trem which cost $39 and has an internal trim pot to adjust the output. I personally never had an issue with a drop in volume with this pedal. And you can adjust between hard and soft trem effects.
roadjunkie September 25th, 2009, 01:48 PM I guess the closest thing I have is a Deja-Vibe. I haven't plugged it in for years.
Poppatwang September 25th, 2009, 01:54 PM A cheap, versatile trem pedal is the Nobels Tr-X.
Selectable waveforms & volume control.
Build quality seems iffy, but it's been in my pedalboard for 10 years without fail.
Synchro September 25th, 2009, 02:20 PM So a Tremolo with a level/volume adjustment would be a must?
The Bluebird also has a boost switch which might be helpful as well.
IMO it is.
caimi September 25th, 2009, 02:33 PM I'm also looking for a new tremelo pedal. So far I've tried only the Bluebird and as a trem pedal I thought it was a better boost. Trem wasn't warm enough for me. Very mechanical sounding. The best trem I've ever heard was on a Victoria Regal I amp I wish I still owned. If I could find a trem pedal that was as good as that I'd buy it. It was thick and syrupy when it needed to be but also subtle when that's what you needed. Any suggestions?
dafreeze September 25th, 2009, 03:00 PM I've a guitarist aquaintance who raves about the Keeley modded Boss TR-2.
I've two Keeley modded pedals myself, and Ibanez TS-808 Tubescreamer with his more/less and true bypass mods and a Boss BD-2 Blues Driver with his Phat mod. They're both outstanding.
This may very well be my next pedal. Stock they're selling for a hunerd. From Keeley they're just under a hunerd and a half. Or you can send him a TR-2 + $55 and he'll mod it.
Here's an excerpt from the page linked below.
Boss makes a great Tremolo pedal, the TR-2. We have more than solved the volume drop "problem," we've upgraded the audio circuitry and improved the response. We also have reduced unwanted distortions and noise. Now the pedal can even be used as a CLEAN BOOST! Read on, tremolo fans, for the KING OF TREMOLO MODS!
http://robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=26
lenoboy September 25th, 2009, 03:13 PM Do yourself a favor, check out the Marshall pedals that they produced for a short run last year. They are built like a tank and I have the Tremolo/vibrato pedal and it is exceptional. All of the pedals they produced work extremely well, are simple and built like a tank. I don't understand why they recently discontinued them. You can get an excellent tremolo/vibrato pedal for under $100.
Scott September 28th, 2009, 12:34 PM If you had a Victoria Regal, the only satisfactory tremolo for you will be another Victoria Regal. I have one...no other tremolo circuit can touch it.
JBennett September 28th, 2009, 12:58 PM I've always been impressed by Marshall's Vibratrem pedal.
http://www.audio-depot.com/images/marshalleffectvt1m.jpg
Has a great control (square or round wave shape AND vibrato/tremolo options) a solid metal case, stereo out option, and a huge range for depth and speed. One day I might actually BUY one! (I've used one of my pals every once in a while.)
edit: Looks like I'm with Lenoboy.
Squeaker September 28th, 2009, 01:13 PM I've had a pre-loved Marshall Vibratrem on the board for a few years now.
Tried the Boss, but the volume drop made it unusable live.
Replaced with a George Dennis, which was excellent, but took up too much acreage.
The Marshall is cheap, small and fairly versatile. It does sine and square wave forms, but has no level control.
I find it boosts my P90 guitar a little when engaged, but not my 6120.
However, the Boss FDR1 is in my GAS list top 5...
metropolis74 September 28th, 2009, 03:57 PM To everyone crapping on the Boss TR-2:
A little over a year ago Boss fixed the volume drop issue. There is a Boss forum out on the net somewhere that has all the details of when the new version was released and starting with a certain serial number and up, so if you find a used one you can tell if it's with the new circuit or not without opening it up.
They sound pretty darn good now.
I had a Marshall Vibtrem and it was very versatile although it had a big volume boost. Unfortunately, it was the only pedal I've ever had in my 20 years experience that I had problems with loose components and it would cut in and out.
Synchro September 28th, 2009, 06:12 PM To everyone crapping on the Boss TR-2:
A little over a year ago Boss fixed the volume drop issue. There is a Boss forum out on the net somewhere that has all the details of when the new version was released and starting with a certain serial number and up, so if you find a used one you can tell if it's with the new circuit or not without opening it up.
They sound pretty darn good now.
I had a Marshall Vibtrem and it was very versatile although it had a big volume boost. Unfortunately, it was the only pedal I've ever had in my 20 years experience that I had problems with loose components and it would cut in and out.
I had heard that Boss fixed it, I only wish that they would have changed the model number to make it easier for their customers. IMO, the TR-2 was nearly worthless in a live situation unless you chose to use a volume pedal along with it. It sounded great but the drop in volume was pretty sad . . . at least IMHO. I'm a loyal Boss customer and have defended their pedals to more than a few critics but they dropped the ball with the initial release of the TR-2.
Renegade September 28th, 2009, 07:26 PM With so many choices I believe one could make themselves nuts...I am thinking I should close my eyes and point. :confused:
I am still leaning toward the Supa-Trem, it looks pretty versatile and the sound bites (for what those are worth) don't sound bad, but the jury is still out.
Telefan September 28th, 2009, 07:38 PM I know it's not on your list but I've been really happy with my Voodoo Labs Tremolo. It has a volume knob to add a boost to keep the volume from dropping when you use it. It can also do either modern or vintage style sounds. Sorry if I'm adding more confusion but I think it's worth checking out if you have a store that stocks them around you.
roadjunkie September 28th, 2009, 08:15 PM If you had a Victoria Regal, the only satisfactory tremolo for you will be another Victoria Regal. I have one...no other tremolo circuit can touch it.
The main and almost only complaint about the Gretsch amps is the trem switch popping. Did yours ever do that?
Scott September 28th, 2009, 09:10 PM No popping...I use a standard Fender reissue two-button switch for my Regal as well as a Victorilux. No pops at all.
The Boss tremolo pedals mentioned previously...I've never tried a TR-2, heard mixed comments about 'em. But I do have one of the early '90s PN-2 Tremolo/Pan pedals. They're collectable now and I don't know why personally...my PN-2 adds a slight pulsing hiss to my signal, whether it's off or on. I can't deal with that. I actually prefer the tremolo effect on a Boss FDR-1 to it.
But I guess since it's a "collectable"(sheesh) I'll see what kinda coin I can get for it one of these days...
Synchro September 28th, 2009, 10:04 PM No popping...I use a standard Fender reissue two-button switch for my Regal as well as a Victorilux. No pops at all.
The Boss tremolo pedals mentioned previously...I've never tried a TR-2, heard mixed comments about 'em. But I do have one of the early '90s PN-2 Tremolo/Pan pedals. They're collectable now and I don't know why personally...my PN-2 adds a slight pulsing hiss to my signal, whether it's off or on. I can't deal with that. I actually prefer the tremolo effect on a Boss FDR-1 to it.
But I guess since it's a "collectable"(sheesh) I'll see what kinda coin I can get for it one of these days...
I like the trem on the FDR-1 myself. The reverb is pretty decent too as long as you aren't expecting ultra-saturated Surf sounds.
VictoriaDD59 September 28th, 2009, 11:13 PM If you wanna hear what a Fulltone Supa Trem can do, check out some Lucinda Williams work with either Bo Ramsey on lead guitar, or currently Doug Pettibone, both of them like(d) the Supa Trem.
Bo still uses his, and his tremolo sound is amazing. Doug I believe moved on to another tremolo pedal. But that "World Without Tears" disc and the live disc I have been told was lots of Fulltone Supa Trem.
Tele295 September 29th, 2009, 02:28 PM +1 on the Voodoo Labs 4-knob Tremolo. The volume boost and slope features really help me dial in the trem sound I want to hear. Good enough for Steve Cropper is good enough for me!
bonefish September 29th, 2009, 06:11 PM got a modtone on my board right now, and i have no complaints, plus the price was right. the wave knob is a nice feature, and i don't notice any voume drop or offensive tonal coloration.
mikante October 1st, 2009, 04:50 AM I tryed the ElectroHarmonix Pulsar two days ago, I didn't like it, at all!
ultrevex October 6th, 2009, 11:24 AM The lowly Danelectro Tuna Melt is outstanding. No volume cut, tiny footprint, silent (as in no white noise, hiss, etc.) and it can cop a brown fender trem tone easily. I've owned about 6 trem pedals from Boss to Voodoo Labs, they all eventually departed while the dano stays. Not true bypass but it's buffer sounds fine and I'm VERY picky about that type stuff.
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